now you have a new system to make work for youEasier to gripe about the system, blame the NFU or whatever than make it work for you then?
now you have a new system to make work for youEasier to gripe about the system, blame the NFU or whatever than make it work for you then?
Easier to gripe about the system, blame the NFU or whatever than make it work for you then?
There was no cost to lease out naked acres. I know of plenty of places that were getting £50 an acre for naked acres the option was there for both you and silliam to have taken advantage of
now you have a new system to make work for you
yep as when we changed over to area based payment just except it and get on no good to moan about itYes, whatever system comes in, in whatever form it takes, like any sensible business we will seek to get the most out of it as we can, if that means changes so be it.
Don't you do the same?
Yes I did a bit. Should I point out to you that £50/acre is the same level of payment that is currently proposed in the new scheme. The one which you predict is the death knell of the family farm.
So its alright for others to get this low level of money, but not you, oh no....
Most naked acres traded for 50% or more of what the claimant was to receive, in the majority of cases the naked acres came about as surplus land to what the farmer had in the reference period, so the £50 or what ever was a bonus on top.
Incidentally , you do not know our business, we sold some £85ha entitlements to buy £350ha entitlements.
If you are happy with £50 stick with it .
Yes as a playing the system thing its fine. But let's not pretend its anything to do with agricultural production or gaec.
The first thing your example farmers need is a decent accountant Ianto. If they are losing that much they need to rethink. Its a simple as that.
I'm not being personal here, but tough sh!t!
You had the chance to bank that money or speculate with it, many of us have had nothing to bank without a second job.
You decided to put all your eggs in one basket, no one forced you to.
When the going was good, it was fudge every one else and I actualy remember one big farmer down our way in the pub pee'd shouting to the rest of us to go out and earn his sfp for him, we'd just come back from work and it rubbed a lot of people up the wrong way. Many own houses in town to save driving home drunk, the rest of us can barely aford to have one at all.
Gave up spuds & Veg in 2003, and started growing corn. Fully expected to be able to claim on my entire acreage.Luckily I did grow a bit in 2002, so I did get some entitlements, but only on about 25% of the land.
First of all, I am not their accountant but have access to their accounts. They are not losing money, and just about hold their head above water. The example with rounded figures is actual and not hypothetic.
For some of us, it is not about the bottom line (profit) but maintaining the Rural Community. The Welsh Language does play a part in their and my views, which as a "down below" you cannot comprehend or understand.
For them Farming is a way of life, and they now nothing else.
Call them naïve if you want, but they do provide employment and contribute to a livelihood for many families directly or indirectly.
That for me is the purpose of the CAP.
They could have split into separate businesses, and would if there is a cap on Acreage be better off.
There are probably many like them, who if they banded together could institute another Legal Challenge which WAG would find impossible to defend.
IANTO
2000,01,02 You are right there was something wrong. SFP was taken from working farmers and given to slipper farmers.There is something wrong here. 2003?
What according to you were the base years?
IANTO
Why spuds and veg ground exempt from claiming sfp wasn't farming then so not sure as to why I was lucky to be given the average payment per ac to welsh farmers which from memory is not far of what their proposing now2000,01,02 You are right there was something wrong. SFP was taken from working farmers and given to slipper farmers.
2003 was when I changed from spuds/veg to corn.Picked the wrong time to change I admit.
I wish I knew. 3 years later you could claim on spud/ veg ground. The whole thing was bizarre. Never mind, water under the bridge now.Why spuds and veg ground exempt from claiming sfp wasn't farming then so not sure as to why I was lucky to be given the average payment per ac to welsh farmers which from memory is not far of what their proposing now