Co-op Stores with no Welsh (British) lamb on sale

Dr Evil · Jul 5, 2015

Pennine Ploughing said:
all this is very interesting you farmers on about getting the customer to buy local, and all on the subject of lamb in this thread, so can anyone on here tell me why, i deliver lamb fatting pellets (all sorts of compound feed) over a very wide area of the uk, and pass other mills form other companys on route to my delivery farm, along with seeing other mills delivering compound feed to within a few miles of our mill,
I am saying that in my experience livestock farmers dont buy off the local mill because its local, they buy where they get the best deal, so why can do they seem to think that the likes of the coop should buy lamb from local farms,
oh and looking on here there seems to be someone wanting a quote for a back load every day, for something they have bought the other side of the country, do they not have a local dealer they can buy stuff off,
and what percentage of lamb farmers have a landrover, and not an import 4x4.

we are all free to buy what we want from where we want, and if this was stopped and no imports were available, i think farmers would do the most complaining in this country, and before anyone shoots me down for the above post make sure your typing your reply on a uk made pc/laptop or uk made phone bought in your nearest local shop, and using a british internet provider

From my point of view I've got no problem with imports- I'm typing this on a Korean made phone, watching a Scot on a Korean tv, drinking Kenyan coffee produced by an American company- at least my eggs are from the garden.

What i do have an issue with is Supermarkets telling us demand and sales of welsh/uk lamb is down significantly- if the supply isn't made available- demand is obviously going to be down.

Dr Evil · Jul 5, 2015

JD-Kid said:
might cost them 90 pound on the shelf then over heads in the store wastage etc etc so lets say 100 pound if sold for 160 thats a 60% mark up

Probably hit the nail on the head here- these companies are experts at influencing people's buying habits- and if there's a better margin to be made on an alternative meat/protein source- why bother pushing lamb?

deutz.agrostar · Jul 5, 2015

Pennine Ploughing said:
all this is very interesting you farmers on about getting the customer to buy local, and all on the subject of lamb in this thread, so can anyone on here tell me why, i deliver lamb fatting pellets (all sorts of compound feed) over a very wide area of the uk, and pass other mills form other companys on route to my delivery farm, along with seeing other mills delivering compound feed to within a few miles of our mill,
I am saying that in my experience livestock farmers dont buy off the local mill because its local, they buy where they get the best deal, so why can do they seem to think that the likes of the coop should buy lamb from local farms,
oh and looking on here there seems to be someone wanting a quote for a back load every day, for something they have bought the other side of the country, do they not have a local dealer they can buy stuff off,
and what percentage of lamb farmers have a landrover, and not an import 4x4.

we are all free to buy what we want from where we want, and if this was stopped and no imports were available, i think farmers would do the most complaining in this country, and before anyone shoots me down for the above post make sure your typing your reply on a uk made pc/laptop or uk made phone bought in your nearest local shop, and using a british internet provider

This is quite true, by rights we should all have a fleet of Fastrac's NOT Jd, Fendt, Deutz etc. We can all be a little hypocritical (my McCormick is British Built though!)

GTB · Jul 5, 2015

Is there a list of British built vehicles and machinery? I'm always quite embarrassed when we start talking about imported meats. We have a jap pickup, German car, French manitou, two jap quads.......

llamedos · Jul 5, 2015

exmoor dave said:
Reckon you're on to something, I don't think we current export any lamb to the US

http://beefandlamb.ahdb.org.uk/events/conference-2015/ahdb-meat-export-conference-2015/

Welsh Farmer · Jul 5, 2015

I like to be a goody-two-shoes where ever possible even if i do have to pay more. My buying policy is ....
independent / local supplier
independent / regional supplier
independent / National supplier
and then in the same order but using a British multi national supplier
and finally any country except Burma and China because of their worsening Human Rights record.

About two or three years ago I did a complete renovation project on a property I bought using ONLY local independent businesses and tradesmen to see if it was possible. It was

and I think I used only one local national supplier which was for the tiles. Other than that everything was bought and produced locally by independent businesses. It was a very satisfying project

jade35 · Jul 5, 2015

llamedos said:
http://beefandlamb.ahdb.org.uk/events/conference-2015/ahdb-meat-export-conference-2015/

Thanks @llamedos that was really interesting

although assume the conference speakers would have spoken further re some of the slides.

Keep forgetting about Australia being a big lamb exporter

always think of NZ being the opposition.

In the presentation on exports to America they showed a picture of lamb loin chops @ $8.99/lb. It was also mentioned that there is no separate advertising for imported grassfed lambmeat. It is not used as a selling point.

kernowcluck · Jul 5, 2015

Does seem totally crazy that it's cheaper to source meat from NZ. No offence to the NZ producers but it must be a better option to buy local and fresh. I refuse to buy non British meat and the supermarkets should at least be giving their customers a choice. Years ago the Dutch pork market nearly ruined us with their heavily subsidised products and some of you will remember that the British pig industry was on it's knees not from poor management but ,as usual, from factors outside the producers remit.

It's the same old story quantity over quality and zero loyalty to British farmers. I buy my meat from our village butcher and I know that it has only travelled a couple of miles. But how long can the local butcher keep going against the pull of the supermarkets. JBS
family butchers in Sudbury, Suffolk are closing as they can no longer compete. Boss John Sawyer said that the supermarkets can sell a leg of lamb at a lower price than he can buy it.

I would like to buy Welsh lamb(if you buy our Yarg cheese!) but I'm lucky to find British and until I do I will go without.

rhifsaith · Jul 5, 2015

GTB said:
Is there a list of British built vehicles and machinery? I'm always quite embarrassed when we start talking about imported meats. We have a jap pickup, German car, French manitou, two jap quads.......

Land Rover defender and freelander sorts out 2 for you..
Jcb. Can't think of a quad :scratchhead:

BLG · Jul 5, 2015

rhifsaith said:
Land Rover defender and freelander sorts out 2 for you..
Jcb. Can't think of a quad

In the 90's I trucked gearbox and diffs for JCB from Italy and Turkey, I bet its the same with Landrover. Japanese Ford and Mazda pickups are made in Thailand, and so on.

Poorbuthappy · Jul 5, 2015

kernowcluck said:
JBS
family butchers in Sudbury, Suffolk are closing as they can no longer compete. Boss John Sawyer said that the supermarkets can sell a leg of lamb at a lower price than he can buy it.

I can't understand that. My neighbour can buy a whole lamb carcass wholesale for the same pence per kg that I can generally get dw off the farm.
Can't understand that either mind.

FonterraFarmer · Jul 6, 2015

BLG said:
In the 90's I trucked gearbox and diffs for JCB from Italy and Turkey, I bet its the same with Landrover. Japanese Ford and Mazda pickups are made in Thailand, and so on.

Is not the Freelander 2, engine from Peugeot/Citroen, transmission from Jatco, suspension from Volvo, floorpan from Ford and the remainder from Landrover?

exmoor dave · Jul 6, 2015

rhifsaith said:
Land Rover defender and freelander sorts out 2 for you..
Jcb. Can't think of a quad

They build electric farm quads near Ilfracombe, North Devon

Gilchro · Jul 6, 2015

Poorbuthappy said:
I can't understand that. My neighbour can buy a whole lamb carcass wholesale for the same pence per kg that I can generally get dw off the farm.
Can't understand that either mind.

I would guess that the lamb was out of retail spec.
It may have either been heavy or poor grading (most likely heavy) and the processor is trying to offload the carcass and that is all that the wholesale trade will support. It is probably cheaper for the processor to sell the carcass whole than to put time and money in to breaking it down!

Of course, if that's all that the wholesale trade will support, guess who ultimately pays the price??

If somewhere around 50 - 60% of lambs hit market spec annually, that leaves 40 - 50% of lambs missing it. If processors are offloading lamb at below their cost of production, it all lands back on the farm gate price.

Individuals are doing the best for their business by maximising the cheque they get paid for their lamb. However, collectively they are screwing the overall price by putting processors in a place where they are selling carcasses off cheap.

Don't know what the solution is but next time someone is telling you how big they managed to get their lambs, send them an invoice

rhifsaith · Jul 6, 2015

exmoor dave said:
They build electric farm quads near Ilfracombe, North Devon

Can't see Dai going round his mountain on one of these

exmoor dave · Jul 6, 2015

rhifsaith said:
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Can't see Dai going round his mountain on one of these

Hahaha! That would be a sight!

No one of these......

http://www.ecochargerquads.com/

scholland · Jul 6, 2015

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DRC · Jul 6, 2015

FonterraFarmer said:
Is not the Freelander 2, engine from Peugeot/Citroen, transmission from Jatco, suspension from Volvo, floorpan from Ford and the remainder from Landrover?

Better off with a Honda made in Swindon!

GTB · Jul 6, 2015

BLG said:
In the 90's I trucked gearbox and diffs for JCB from Italy and Turkey, I bet its the same with Landrover. Japanese Ford and Mazda pickups are made in Thailand, and so on.

Thanks for reminding me. I was talking to a lad a while back who worked on the Defender production line. He said nearly all parts for a Defender were imported and that the vehicle was merely assembled in Brum. Bit like having imported meat that was packed in UK.

FonterraFarmer · Jul 6, 2015

silverfox said:
Better off with a Honda made in Swindon!

As long as they are better than those Rover badged Honda's that were built in the 80's and 90's

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