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Direct/Strip-till drilling photo gallery
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remember this field?
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there were just two bare spots, the rest survived, incredibly. Haven't finished cutting it yet but it's doing quite well.
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there were just two bare spots, the rest survived, incredibly. Haven't finished cutting it yet but it's doing quite well.
bongo
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- Location
- North East Suffolk
Remind us what it looked like in winter. That looks to be a fabulous crop
Click the link in blue above the video.
it will take you to an older post.
Niels
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- Location
- Netherlands/Suffolk
Well I have been giving regular updates and asking questions about our winter beans experiment here in Holland. As far as I know and have been told the first time EVER winter beans are being grown in Holland. There were 2 fields this year, both being drilled with the Claydon hybrid. This field, grown by a good mate of mine, is on very heavy nasty clay soil. We trialled 2ha of winter beans variety Tundra and 2ha of spring beans variety Imposa. Both Limagrain. The springs haven't been cut yet as they were drilled late (end of April) and the weather has been nasty.
The field of winter beans yielded 8t/ha which I think is pleasing. The idea is that they will be ground up for their protein and fed to chickens that are reared on the farm. This means we have to buy less soya. The crop was drilled under bad conditions on November 1st. The field had been continuous winter wheat for a good many years. It's virgin bean land which explains the yield. We had some issues with seed covering so I power harrowed it straight after drilling which certainly did a world of good. Seed distribution was also an issue but it turned out the drill hadn't been fitted with a bean kit. The seed was very large and has a high TGW. Hence also the high yield. It was cut last weekend at 17%. Lot of rain and storm forecast so didn't dare to leave it any longer. Plants still greenish but pods all dead.
Combining them was a bit of a pain (didn't do this myself sadly as I was busy somewhere else). The reed had to be lowered in order to let the tall plants feed into the combine. Otherwise the auger wouldn't grab them. This meant shattering of the pods. Speed wasn't possible as the sieves got easily overloaded and chucked loads out over the back. Plenty still on the ground from (previously) shattered pods and losses but ah well.. The spring crop is a lot shorter but has lots of pods. It is still quite green.
As it was only 2ha the beans are stored in wooden 1t potato boxes converted for cereals (mesh bottom). As we couldn't find any company that dared to dry them a simple system is set up with a fan to dry them down. First they are cleaned by some simple means. Chuck them over a conveyor into an empty box and meanwhile blow air through them. Works well. Next year it is almost certain only winters will be grown. Limagrain is supplying us with fresh Tundra seed from the UK as they somehow don't allow this to be reused. It will be wheat stubble again, equally sh!t. It's subsoiled and power harrowed (you can see the outfit in a picture) and will be left until end of October. Then power harrowed again and combi drilled this time. The bean stubble has been raked with the Claydon straw harrow to let volunteers chit. It will be subsoiled & PH'd as well and drilled wheat in two weeks time.
It has been an interesting experiment and certainly worth it. The chickens however have to like them and do well on them otherwise it is useless on this farm. At least we have shown winter beans can work (although we have to see how they stand up to a fierce frost) and that a higher yield compared to springs can be achieved. Direct drilling them won't be tried again because of the nature of the soil at the time of year (end October/November) and the feeling that the Accord metering system doesn't handle large seeds well at low volumes.
The field of winter beans yielded 8t/ha which I think is pleasing. The idea is that they will be ground up for their protein and fed to chickens that are reared on the farm. This means we have to buy less soya. The crop was drilled under bad conditions on November 1st. The field had been continuous winter wheat for a good many years. It's virgin bean land which explains the yield. We had some issues with seed covering so I power harrowed it straight after drilling which certainly did a world of good. Seed distribution was also an issue but it turned out the drill hadn't been fitted with a bean kit. The seed was very large and has a high TGW. Hence also the high yield. It was cut last weekend at 17%. Lot of rain and storm forecast so didn't dare to leave it any longer. Plants still greenish but pods all dead.
Combining them was a bit of a pain (didn't do this myself sadly as I was busy somewhere else). The reed had to be lowered in order to let the tall plants feed into the combine. Otherwise the auger wouldn't grab them. This meant shattering of the pods. Speed wasn't possible as the sieves got easily overloaded and chucked loads out over the back. Plenty still on the ground from (previously) shattered pods and losses but ah well.. The spring crop is a lot shorter but has lots of pods. It is still quite green.
As it was only 2ha the beans are stored in wooden 1t potato boxes converted for cereals (mesh bottom). As we couldn't find any company that dared to dry them a simple system is set up with a fan to dry them down. First they are cleaned by some simple means. Chuck them over a conveyor into an empty box and meanwhile blow air through them. Works well. Next year it is almost certain only winters will be grown. Limagrain is supplying us with fresh Tundra seed from the UK as they somehow don't allow this to be reused. It will be wheat stubble again, equally sh!t. It's subsoiled and power harrowed (you can see the outfit in a picture) and will be left until end of October. Then power harrowed again and combi drilled this time. The bean stubble has been raked with the Claydon straw harrow to let volunteers chit. It will be subsoiled & PH'd as well and drilled wheat in two weeks time.
It has been an interesting experiment and certainly worth it. The chickens however have to like them and do well on them otherwise it is useless on this farm. At least we have shown winter beans can work (although we have to see how they stand up to a fierce frost) and that a higher yield compared to springs can be achieved. Direct drilling them won't be tried again because of the nature of the soil at the time of year (end October/November) and the feeling that the Accord metering system doesn't handle large seeds well at low volumes.
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TelesnaAg
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- Portland, Victoria - Australia
8t/ha!!....holy sh!t...
What rate did u seed at? Fert?...
Fine effort...
Ant...
What rate did u seed at? Fert?...
Fine effort...
Ant...
dgb
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Hi everyone,
In case you're interested in seeing a direct or zero till system to see if it's right for you're farm, DM me or give me a call I'm on 07790032573. I'll come and do a demonstration field, I'm covering the South of England, realistically don't mind where I travel. Would just like to help show that these kinds of systems will help with not only you're bottom line but also you're soil.
I'm running a mounted John Dale eco3 drill, the one in the video was my loaner and I'm getting organised to shoot another video.
In case you're interested in seeing a direct or zero till system to see if it's right for you're farm, DM me or give me a call I'm on 07790032573. I'll come and do a demonstration field, I'm covering the South of England, realistically don't mind where I travel. Would just like to help show that these kinds of systems will help with not only you're bottom line but also you're soil.
I'm running a mounted John Dale eco3 drill, the one in the video was my loaner and I'm getting organised to shoot another video.
- Location
- Bedfordshire
Superb Yield. Well done.
Do you have any photos of the Spring Beans?
The combine settings need to be , concave wide open, drum speed similiar to OSR or lower, sieves 10-13mm fan speed set to the maximum.
Niels
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- Location
- Netherlands/Suffolk
@TelesnaAg Without bragging (I know I am going to anyway now ), we re-calculated the yield more accurately and the figure is actually near 9t/ha. This would be fantastic of course. However, the moisture is still 17/18% and doesn't seem like dropping much. Also we can't find an accurate moisture meter!! Most don't even have a bean setting. Tried some soya settings which read 14%.
We drilled the beans 150 kg/ha. They had a very high TGW, like the current sample. Liquid fert was put on once during the season. 60kg of P and 60 kg of K.
@Fuzzy Thanks, beginners luck really! I had come in contact with winter beans in the UK on plenty occasions but over here they are all focussed towards spring beans precision drilled like maize. My mate was looking for a crop that would fit in with CAP rules and deliver him protein for the chickens so I interested him with the winter beans. Limagrain been very good and got some seed from the UK. Three fields scattered across the country have been sown, but this is by far the highest yield. Virgin bean land has a lot to do with it I reckon.
Included is a picture of the spring beans. They were cut yesterday but are a lot worse than the winter ones. Some parts had lots on the ground and a few corners still green as grass. Mainly due to a very late drilling date I reckon, but on this kind of land you just can't do anything in February or early March. Yield was about 6m² from 2ha. Comes down to about 4t/ha we reckon. Crop was very patchy and generally half the height compared to the winters.
The combine settings were very similar to what you describe except the fan speed was a little lower. Glad we're not far out then.
), we re-calculated the yield more accurately and the figure is actually near 9t/ha. This would be fantastic of course. However, the moisture is still 17/18% and doesn't seem like dropping much. Also we can't find an accurate moisture meter!! Most don't even have a bean setting. Tried some soya settings which read 14%.We drilled the beans 150 kg/ha. They had a very high TGW, like the current sample. Liquid fert was put on once during the season. 60kg of P and 60 kg of K.
@Fuzzy Thanks, beginners luck really! I had come in contact with winter beans in the UK on plenty occasions but over here they are all focussed towards spring beans precision drilled like maize. My mate was looking for a crop that would fit in with CAP rules and deliver him protein for the chickens so I interested him with the winter beans. Limagrain been very good and got some seed from the UK. Three fields scattered across the country have been sown, but this is by far the highest yield. Virgin bean land has a lot to do with it I reckon.
Included is a picture of the spring beans. They were cut yesterday but are a lot worse than the winter ones. Some parts had lots on the ground and a few corners still green as grass. Mainly due to a very late drilling date I reckon, but on this kind of land you just can't do anything in February or early March. Yield was about 6m² from 2ha. Comes down to about 4t/ha we reckon. Crop was very patchy and generally half the height compared to the winters.
The combine settings were very similar to what you describe except the fan speed was a little lower. Glad we're not far out then.
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JDJ
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- Location
- Brædstrup, Denmark
Osr after wheat and lots of chopped straw. The 150 mm of rain in the last two weeks has cooled the soli and the rape is really slow this year.
It's DK explicit and I plantet 38 seeds pr m2.
It's DK explicit and I plantet 38 seeds pr m2.
shakerator
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- Location
- LINCS
green giant
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- Location
- Northumberland
Thought I'd post here from my other thread, not sure why they haven't loaded in order (loaded from my phone) but just a few images of the Sumo DTS & DD machines efforts planting OSR & wheat.
- Location
- East Yorkshire
6m Demo drill putting wheat into a sprayed out grass ley in the rain yesterday
(I hope the video works as it is only a facebook link)
(I hope the video works as it is only a facebook link)
Looks good, all we need now is a really prostrate clover to smother weeds and supply some N and wheat at £100 a tonne would still be profitable and environmentally friendly
Old John
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- Location
- N E Suffolk
What is the row width?
- Location
- East Yorkshire
200mm row width on all DD drills except the 3m which is at 187.5mm
green giant
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- Location
- Northumberland
Work in progress.
