Shepherd's Hut - Planning Permission

Juggler

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Anglesey
Right, I'm getting planning consultants out week after next to see the site and go through my proposal @ £95/hr :eek:
He said depending on what he sees it might mean getting various people in to do surveys on hedgerows, trees, etc and could cost £'000's...great.
Trouble is I have this bloody annoying habit of wanting to do everything 'right'. My worry would be if I just did it, and someone got hurt, would my insurance tell me to do one?
 

Kidds

Member
Horticulture
@Juggler , why not ring the planning department in your neighbouring county for advice , they won't be watching you then . [emoji11][emoji6]
I think this is probably pretty good advice in your circumstances. At least they will give you some indication of whether they will require the full biftas as far as bat, newt and tree frog surveys go.
Consultants are just as able to make a balls as anyone and it's usually your money they make a balls with.
 

G. Stevens

New Member
Anyone done this on here? I've got a 7 acre field about a mile away from the main farm. It's a stunning location with a striking geographical feature from which you get amazing panoramic views of South Devon. I'm looking to make a go of the farm full time so was considering taking a 4 acre square out of the field and selling it to fund other enterprises / livestock. The field is in some ways a bit of a pain as keeping it either means renting to the neighbour for little money or take stock back and forth (not the end of the world I know). The 3 acres left include the feature and also a lovely little rocky area with ancient oaks growing as well as some scrub. The plan would be to clear the scrub and plant the whole 3 acres as hardwood coppice with standards. Oak, Sweet Chestnut, Hazel, Ash etc.

This will hopefully provide me and my followers with a good source of easy to harvest wood for fuel / posts / building etc. in 20 years or so if I'm still knocking about.

What we were also looking at was a shepherd's hut (or 2) in the new wood. It's a secluded location, not in view of any homes. Off the road but with an existing track. I think it would go well with folk who wanted a complete cut off and seclusion, rather than the mainstream glamping lot. There is mains water on site and we were thinking compost loo and maybe solar shower etc.

Has anyone put in for PP for this and got it / failed. If so what were the concerns / objections? I know local plans vary so may need to have a look at ours.
Hi
I can see you are looking to set up a small glamping / shepards hut business. We are a new shepards hut builder based in Bristol looking to possibly talk to someone like yourselves about locating our huts
I would very much like to talk to you about this
Kind regards
Gary Stevens
 

Grouse

Member
I wonder if we are able to help you? We can design a free standing structure for you to your desired specification, in a time frame to suit you and our prefabricated modular structures do not need planning permission. If this is of interest to you and you would like to speak to us, then please feel free to phone us for a chat on 01227 389 895 - Clare and Sebastien

Sorry, but you are wrong, firstly it needs PP as its Change of Use of the Land. Secondly if a structure doesn't meet the Legal Definition of a Caravan then it is extremely likely that at law it's a Building, which creates floor space and most certainly requires PP, plus it would be subject to Building Regulations and VAT.
 
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Blue.

Member
Livestock Farmer
Sorry, but you are wrong, firstly it needs PP as its Change of Use of the Land. Secondly if a structure doesn't meet the Legal Definition of a Caravan then it is extremely likely that at law it's a Building, which creates floor space and most certainly requires PP, plus it would be subject to Building Regulations and VAT.


For planning purposes glamping pods are classed as caravans,also if your running a 28site you wouldn't need planning.
 

Grouse

Member
Correct, but only 3 touring caravans, shepherds huts or Pods are allowed under permitted development rights, and that's assuming your PD Rights have not been removed and you are not in a National Park or AONB or other classified area etc.

plus even if you still have the PD Rights, the units have to be removed off the site after the 28 days otherwise they are classed as static caravans in planning terms and thus still require PP. Also more than 3 and / or in excess of 28 days still requires PP
 
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Grouse

Member
If they are being classed and assessed under the touring caravan policies by your LPA, (many LPA's treat them as Touing Caravans) then unfortunately that is incorrect, if they are being classed as tents then that is a different matter. It's each case on its own merits and you need to establish the position with your LPA clearly and in writing prior to purchasing such units - unless you wish to risk enforcement action as many LPA's treats them differently

Unfortunately, many manufacturers will give a blanket answer that they don't need PP as all they want to do is sell units - this isn't the case.

It all depends on where you are, the prevailing planning policy, where you want to put it / them, who is using it, for what purpose, for how long, and particularly what the planning status of the chosen site is.
 
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Blue.

Member
Livestock Farmer
If they are being classed and assessed under the touring caravan policies by your LPA, (many LPA's treat them as Touing Caravans) then unfortunately that is incorrect, if they are being classed as tents then that is a different matter. It's each case on its own merits and you need to establish the position with your LPA clearly and in writing prior to purchasing such units - unless you wish to risk enforcement action as many LPA's treats them differently

Unfortunately, many manufacturers will give a blanket answer that they don't need PP as all they want to do is sell units - this isn't the case.

I think it's how basic the pod is,if it's got power and a toilet it's defo not a tent.

I agree about the manufactures saying no planning.it's just sell sell sell..
 

trook135

Member
Location
Hampshire
I have been thinking about doing something similar over here as well, got a redundant 24ft hay trailer that I'm eyeing up, so regards species surveys etc, would they be required for open pasture as well or more relevant to woodland areas, have a cracking location on top of a hill on the farm, not too far from the farm buildings so it can be stored yet far enough to be out of sight, what do people do about security of shepherds huts?
 

Pasty

Member
Location
Devon
I suppose there's not much to pinch in them when folk aren't staying so probably not much. In terms of the whole thing being pinched, most hut's wheels appear to be for decoration only. Maybe a removable hith or something would be a good idea?
 

theboytheboy

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Portsmouth
I have been thinking about doing something similar over here as well, got a redundant 24ft hay trailer that I'm eyeing up, so regards species surveys etc, would they be required for open pasture as well or more relevant to woodland areas, have a cracking location on top of a hill on the farm, not too far from the farm buildings so it can be stored yet far enough to be out of sight, what do people do about security of shepherds huts?

I had the same idea. Shepherd's hut but much bigger. Got several old 4 wheel trailers that I was thinking if doing. If anyone has done this some pics would be great
 

trook135

Member
Location
Hampshire
yeah its not so much whats in them more the actual trailer, would be good to make secure so the unfavourables cant get in, removable hitch sounds like a fair plan though!, the thing i'm planning would be 24ft long so somewhat bigger than a traditional hut!
 

Pant

New Member
If it is as nice as you say it is then renting it out as a wedding reception venue is worth considering.
About £1k a go and about 10 per year.There are people that do it professionally, all you have to do is provide the venue they do the rest.
Hi. I got married in my field here on the farm, I must say it was stunning. I have been thinking about the idea of hireing the field as a venue. Do you know anymore about it?
 

Pant

New Member
Hi
Hi
I can see you are looking to set up a small glamping / shepards hut business. We are a new shepards hut builder based in Bristol looking to possibly talk to someone like yourselves about locating our huts
I would very much like to talk to you about this
Kind regards
Gary Stevens
, I'm thinking of doing this glamping, but planning is the issue. I'm from mid Wales a stunning place, I'd be interested in your huts email me if you want. [email protected]
 

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