Feeding dogs dead stock

jamie · Nov 28, 2015

Hi all. Tried to search online to see what the rules on feeding dead stock to dogs are, but i haven't found much so was hoping someone on here would know. We have a fair sized pack here, and obviously get some dead sheep so it would make sense to save a few pounds if there wasn't too much hassle.

Thankyou in advance.

CopperBeech · Nov 28, 2015

Depends what it died of. . . . . . .

David. · Nov 28, 2015

Not sure the legality, but spreading hydatid tapeworm would be the worry.
If you had an old copper and just boiled up the legs, I cannot see the harm. You would then have the part with the tags in for legal disposal.

exmoor dave · Nov 28, 2015

Don't feed the bones to the dogs if the flesh has been cooked!

The bones go brittle and can splinter the dogs guts.

Dry Rot · Nov 28, 2015

David. said:
Not sure the legality, but spreading hydatid tapeworm would be the worry.
If you had an old copper and just boiled up the legs, I cannot see the harm. You would then have the part with the tags in for legal disposal.

I don't think it is against regulations but don't leave the meat anywhere it can be scavenged. However, the offal and skins would need to be disposed of to the knackery or similar licenced outlet. (See Animal By Products Regulations). It's a funny thing but an awful lot fall over the cliffs around here so we don't get a chance to feed them to dogs, let alone pop them in the deep freeze.

shazza · Nov 28, 2015

Generally fine..... How do you think most of the packs of hounds have survived over the years?

ploughman1963 · Nov 28, 2015

I thought the major transmission route for Johnes was through dog muck? ie dogs fed on carcase that has johns then crapping and being ingested by youngstock? We have severely curtailed the excercising of the hounds from the hunt here to reduce risk of transmission.

JD-Kid · Nov 28, 2015

sheep bones are quite hard compared to beef etc etc cooked tend to make them worst .. can freze to kill off worms etc and a good worming program helps too

as to dead sheep if you are killing them lame ,old ,prolapes ,culls etc etc found dead ummmm not realy you realy have no idea what killed it true wild dogs would eat fallen animals i'm also sure they had a better gut system higher iminue system and were not worth a few 1000 pounds

unlacedgecko · Nov 28, 2015

JD-Kid said:
sheep bones are quite hard compared to beef etc etc cooked tend to make them worst .. can freze to kill off worms etc and a good worming program helps too

as to dead sheep if you are killing them lame ,old ,prolapes ,culls etc etc found dead ummmm not realy you realy have no idea what killed it true wild dogs would eat fallen animals i'm also sure they had a better gut system higher iminue system and were not worth a few 1000 pounds

I've got cross bred hunting dogs I feed all sorts, including road kill. I reckon as long as you're on top of worming, it would be ok.

Having said that I haven't paid more than £200 for a dog, never mind several £1000...

unlacedgecko · Nov 28, 2015

Dry Rot said:
I don't think it is against regulations but don't leave the meat anywhere it can be scavenged. However, the offal and skins would need to be disposed of to the knackery or similar licenced outlet. (See Animal By Products Regulations). It's a funny thing but an awful lot fall over the cliffs around here so we don't get a chance to feed them to dogs, let alone pop them in the deep freeze.

Despite the lack of cliffs in Gloucestershire, I get several disappear in similar manner...

caveman · Nov 28, 2015

It wasn't fallen stock was it?
You specifically killed it for home consumption didn't you?

Princess Pooper · Nov 28, 2015

ploughman1963 said:
I thought the major transmission route for Johnes was through dog muck? ie dogs fed on carcase that has johns then crapping and being ingested by youngstock? We have severely curtailed the excercising of the hounds from the hunt here to reduce risk of transmission.

Think you're getting confused with neospora. Suggest you read up on both.

romneymarsh · Nov 28, 2015

ploughman1963 said:
I thought the major transmission route for Johnes was through dog muck? ie dogs fed on carcase that has johns then crapping and being ingested by youngstock? We have severely curtailed the excercising of the hounds from the hunt here to reduce risk of transmission.

The transmission route for Johnnes is via feasces from infected mother to her off Spring early in life. Never heard of the dog being involved.

Dry Rot · Nov 28, 2015

shazza said:
Generally fine..... How do you think most of the packs of hounds have survived over the years?

I think you'll find the packs are registered for the feeding of animal by products (fallen stock). Now, how did I know that?

Feeding your own dead animals might be OK, you'd need to check with DEFRA (if there is any chance of getting caught).

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/using-animal-by-products-to-feed-carnivores-at-kennels-and-zoos

ploughman1963 · Nov 28, 2015

Princess Pooper - I am embarrassed - you are correct - sorry

Beef farmer · Nov 28, 2015

Times are tough but....

cooksey · Nov 28, 2015

just dont do it people do it around here to save money start of with skinning the animals after about 6 months they feed the things whole and wonder why the dog has started biting stock.

taff · Nov 28, 2015

No different to doing a home kill i would think(sheep) you still have to get guts skin and bones collected and that collection should cross reference to your holding register death section so not a cheap way of explaining away a few cronky lambs that "fell" over the cliff unfortunately but not illegal just wish I had the stomach to do it to for my dogs!

taff · Nov 28, 2015

Can you feed it raw if its fresh? Can't see why not.....

CopperBeech · Nov 28, 2015

6 dogs here, and ferrets to. Feed bill could be horrendous if fed all biscuit.

You can feed it raw if you've killed it fresh (ish) but worms can be an issue, so many freeze for a few weeks first. Or just worm your dogs regular.

My lot eat rabbit, hare, venison, wild boar, various fish, pheasants, partridge, pigeon and soon to be more mutton I expect.

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