Biomass boiler potential

frustratedfarmer · Feb 7, 2016

Burning where? If it's too dense it won't burn so well.

There is also the loss of straw to the farm soil and compactionfrom collecting it. We want the cereal straw for the soil but don't have so much want for above mentioned residues.

I take your point though. I refer to non cereal straws which have less value for anything other than biomass.

Cereal straw could be deemed more valuable / expensive but not applicable to us.

SmeatonWoodEnergy · Feb 8, 2016

Forum flyer said:
Hi

I am sure a lot of people ask the same thing, but how is easy is it to work out whether it's worth putting in a bio mass boiler or not. It seems a lot of people want to charge a lot of money to tell you!!

Cheers

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warksfarmer · Feb 8, 2016

Forum flyer said:
Hi

I am sure a lot of people ask the same thing, but how is easy is it to work out whether it's worth putting in a bio mass boiler or not. It seems a lot of people want to charge a lot of money to tell you!!

Cheers

Message me with your email and I'll send you a spreadsheet.

555 · Feb 10, 2016

Forum flyer said:
Hi

I am sure a lot of people ask the same thing, but how is easy is it to work out whether it's worth putting in a bio mass boiler or not. It seems a lot of people want to charge a lot of money to tell you!!

Cheers

Forum Flyer,

Give me a call and I can talk you through what you need to know. Manco Energy supply and install the Lin Ka range of straw burning boilers. It really does stack up if you have a high enough demand, with your own fuel and a potential current fuel saving.

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farmer phil · Feb 14, 2016

Sorry to jump in on this thread but we are looking at possibly installing a biomass boiler to heat the house and a cattery that we are hoping to open in the next couple of months. We have had a quote for a 210kw boiler, with an accumulator tank and (apparently) everything else that we could possibly need. The quote is very high but the guy reckons we could be in to 5 figures for the RHI payments which would make it stack up quite nicely. Also the fact that a cattery is involved he says makes it a commercial system so the payments would be for 20 years.

Availability of wood to fuel it is not an issue, we already burn a lot on the existing (old) heating system in the house.

Does it sound feasible that the idea is a good one or are we being led up the wrong path.

Lincsman · Feb 14, 2016

farmer phil said:
Sorry to jump in on this thread but we are looking at possibly installing a biomass boiler to heat the house and a cattery that we are hoping to open in the next couple of months. We have had a quote for a 210kw boiler, with an accumulator tank and (apparently) everything else that we could possibly need. The quote is very high but the guy reckons we could be in to 5 figures for the RHI payments which would make it stack up quite nicely. Also the fact that a cattery is involved he says makes it a commercial system so the payments would be for 20 years.

Availability of wood to fuel it is not an issue, we already burn a lot on the existing (old) heating system in the house.

Does it sound feasible that the idea is a good one or are we being led up the wrong path.

Does the RHI allow you to burn any old wood / rubbish is the first question to ask, seems to me they want you to burn bought in fuel usually.

frustratedfarmer · Feb 14, 2016

No you can't just just burn anything.

210kw x 1314hrs x 5.18 p given you max tier 1 payment.

Unless you can self supply your own fuel the RHI is over IMHO.

Matt · Feb 14, 2016

farmer phil said:
Sorry to jump in on this thread but we are looking at possibly installing a biomass boiler to heat the house and a cattery that we are hoping to open in the next couple of months. We have had a quote for a 210kw boiler, with an accumulator tank and (apparently) everything else that we could possibly need. The quote is very high but the guy reckons we could be in to 5 figures for the RHI payments which would make it stack up quite nicely. Also the fact that a cattery is involved he says makes it a commercial system so the payments would be for 20 years.

Availability of wood to fuel it is not an issue, we already burn a lot on the existing (old) heating system in the house.

Does it sound feasible that the idea is a good one or are we being led up the wrong path.

Carefull of the calculations they did for you. If its anything like the solar when they were in turmoil over all the court appeals they were adding in a fuel costs going up by 2-5% a year and so on. Makes thier case figures look better.

farmer phil · Feb 15, 2016

At present we are burning a lot of recycled wood from a waste company, but we have masses of timber growing on farm in form of willows etc. Ideally the willows want pollarding on a regular basis anyway so it would serve 2 purposes. Obviously we would have to leave it to dry for quite a considerable time, but once we got in to a system it should probably work. As for the recycled stuff, maybe there could be a question mark over that. As the saying goes though, if something sounds too good to be true it probably is!

Abel Energy · Feb 15, 2016

Lincsman said:
Does the RHI allow you to burn any old wood / rubbish is the first question to ask, seems to me they want you to burn bought in fuel usually.

You need to be registered on the Biomass Suppliers List, it details all of the requirments that you need to burn wood Waste. For further reading see. http://biomass-suppliers-list.service.gov.uk/
It's a very straightforward process to get BSL approval to burn clean waste wood, such as pallets.

frustratedfarmer · Feb 15, 2016

Pallets = clean water wood???

Um, that's a very broad statement. If it's been treated, painted or has any ply in it then good luck telling OFGEM it's clean!

We inherited 10000's of pallets locally and they had plywood tops. None were supposed to be burnt due to the glue content etc.

akaPABLO01 · Feb 15, 2016

@farmer_phil

Post the projection, cost versus payback so we can see if anything is wrong with their estimations?

farmer phil · Feb 15, 2016

akaPABLO01 said:
@farmer_phil

Post the projection, cost versus payback so we can see if anything is wrong with their estimations?

I have now had another firm turn up and they are going to sort out a quote. Firm 1 reckoned we needed a 210 kw boiler, 5000 litre tank and all the gadgets fitting, rads etc for between 40 and 50k. Reckoned RHI would be 14k per annum. On the face of it, sounds great, but if it was that good why isn't everyone doing it? Problem I see is that I've got to get rid of the heat, if I don't I can't produce any more heat and so I am then earning nothing.

warksfarmer · Feb 15, 2016

farmer phil said:
I have now had another firm turn up and they are going to sort out a quote. Firm 1 reckoned we needed a 210 kw boiler, 5000 litre tank and all the gadgets fitting, rads etc for between 40 and 50k. Reckoned RHI would be 14k per annum. On the face of it, sounds great, but if it was that good why isn't everyone doing it? Problem I see is that I've got to get rid of the heat, if I don't I can't produce any more heat and so I am then earning nothing.

They only make sense if you can answer these questions in this order.

1. Do I really need the heat?

That's right ...... It's the only question because if your putting it in to just claim the Rhi and not bothered about the heat then it's pointless.

akaPABLO01 · Feb 15, 2016

Correct, systems need to be sized correctly to your need. The figures are based on a 1314 hour run time multiplied by your boiler size then by the tariff which is about 5.1p

My guess is they will tell you what you will make rather than you need to achieve 275,940kWh/th which will be your tier 1 payment. If you don't achieve this then their cost versus payback will be flawed leaving you dumping hot water.

Keep an eye on what their estimation of your fuel cost will be to achieve this figure. Do not buy this unless you can justify using the heat amount and you are clear on where you are getting your fuel from. Surmising you will get free fuel or applying to self report will leave you in tears.

Post their calculations without company information. If it stacks up then I'm sure people will tell you here.

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