tarrup bio, yeah or neh

wdah/him

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tyrone
not sure of year but thinking of a bio, have viewed it last year, 26000 bales done and been checked by dealer. thinking of combi the past while but size and weight are the main issue here as we work on steep ground. would like to free up the wrapper man for other work too.

only about 3000-5000 bales a year and keeping current baler too.

anything to warn me about, it is the old cut and tie wrap holder
 

DrDunc

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Livestock Farmer
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Dunsyre
I'm also thinking of this type of machine (though they're like hens hind teeth around here).

There's a criticism that you have to disengage the pto every bale causing premature clutch wear. It can't be any worse than a straw blower tractor, and there's plenty out there with thousands of hours without problems.

The thing I'm not sure about is bale density? The videos of them working, even the promotional ones, show fairly soft looking outputs that visibly deform when they're ejected.

What are the experiences of folk operating them? Are the bales softer?
 

hang-on

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Co Armagh.
I have a bio here and get on really well with it same as yourself wdah we're on step ground and wouldn't be able to manage with a fusion. Mine would be the same the older type cut and tie.
Regards bales being softer I don't think ours are away way soft, full set of knives in and well chopped my neighbours 895 stockman can't lift them with his loader and lifts the front when lifting on the back. A few better videos for you. @DrDunc


 

kill

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Livestock Farmer
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South West
There's a criticism that you have to disengage the pto every bale causing premature clutch wear
Restarting an empty machine will have little wear on your PTO clutch
 
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hang-on

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Location
Co Armagh.
There's a criticism that you have to disengage the pto every bale causing premature clutch wear
Restarting an empty machine will have little wear on your PTO clutch

Correct, you are stopping it under no load and starting it under no load, only thing I'd be concerned of it wearing out is your pro switch. I couldn't see it making any impact on the clutch packs.
 

hally

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Livestock Farmer
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cumbria
we bought one of the early ones when they first come out could be 12 years ago iirc, the concept was brilliant as we were contracting on some very remote wet hill farms and it would travel anywhere on steep wet sites and despite a low output of 35-40 bales an hour we were initially impressed. However after 4 or 5k bales it started giving a lot of bother and despite Taarup swapping it for another which was similar in that it started being bother and in the end our dealer agreed it was not up to the quantity of bales we were doing back then and we went back to a baler and wrapper .I suspect though that over the years these teething issues would have been ironed out and certainly the Kuhn version I looked at a local grassland show had many changes to the original. The bales were certainly not as heavy as our current 550 but they are not bad if you dont go too fast. Now we are not contracting we tow a HS2000 behind the 550 and drop it off for our steeper land but always ment to look at them again but suspect the price would be ridiculous (does anybody know what they would cost?)
 

DrDunc

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Dunsyre
we bought one of the early ones when they first come out could be 12 years ago iirc, the concept was brilliant as we were contracting on some very remote wet hill farms and it would travel anywhere on steep wet sites and despite a low output of 35-40 bales an hour we were initially impressed. However after 4 or 5k bales it started giving a lot of bother and despite Taarup swapping it for another which was similar in that it started being bother and in the end our dealer agreed it was not up to the quantity of bales we were doing back then and we went back to a baler and wrapper .I suspect though that over the years these teething issues would have been ironed out and certainly the Kuhn version I looked at a local grassland show had many changes to the original. The bales were certainly not as heavy as our current 550 but they are not bad if you dont go too fast. Now we are not contracting we tow a HS2000 behind the 550 and drop it off for our steeper land but always ment to look at them again but suspect the price would be ridiculous (does anybody know what they would cost?)
What bother were they giving please, bearings, rollers or things on the wrapping mechanism?
 

hally

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Location
cumbria
What bother were they giving please, bearings, rollers or things on the wrapping mechanism?
It was mainly in the computer that operated the wrapping cycle, some days it just refused to operate the wrapper so you were left with just a baler.! Also the wrap cutters were very hit and miss on damp conditions, but the most frustrating was as the dew dropped on the rows at about dark it would suck grass and jam it between the rollers as they seems too far apart and it was a bearing off job to clear it. However the cutters on later models have been changed and I think they now have 18 not 17 rollers which would obviously cure the jamming problem. Also the early models had no way of unblocking so it except for a long bar to wind the rotor back and if 150hp put the lump in there was no way you are getting it out without a lot a sweating and swearing. There was also a fault with the bobbins that meant if you were on a severe side bank it would snag the bale as it exited the machine and tear the wrap and obviously you cannot reload it and rewrap it.
We vowed after that machine that we would never buy another machine at the start but give them a year or two to iron out these faults as these bloody manufacturers often dont do enough preproduction testing nowadays.
 

wdah/him

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tyrone
@hang-on what is the basic steps, pto off, then lock spool for wrapper or are u pumping oil all the time, thiniking of driving it on the 6180 but could find itself on the 7740

how much of the process is automated
 
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Mac957

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Chap i know is on his 3rd machine now a kuhn bio. Excellent machine and packs a hood bale as its from vicon pedigree. Early machines did have some issues with hood lift rams on hills etc but these were sorted out and all in all their a fair machine now.
 

hally

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cumbria
@hang-on what is the basic steps, pto off, then lock spool for wrapper or are u pumping oil all the time, thiniking of driving it on the 6180 but could find itself on the 7740

how much of the process is automated
It's pumping all the time, just a flow and return pipe and is pretty much all automated
 

hang-on

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Location
Co Armagh.
@hang-on what is the basic steps, pto off, then lock spool for wrapper or are u pumping oil all the time, thiniking of driving it on the 6180 but could find itself on the 7740

how much of the process is automated

You can't turn the pto off till the hood has started lifting up or you'll have a bale drop out from about 4ft up which doesn't do much good lol. So myself as I haven't got the load sensing on mine yet but I think I might sort it this year, the way I do it is leave the spool off till it beeps for bale full, put spool on, let it net, wrap it, drop it out, it closes down away I go and knock the spool off again. You can come and see mine if you like.
 

wdah/him

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tyrone
You can't turn the pto off till the hood has started lifting up or you'll have a bale drop out from about 4ft up which doesn't do much good lol. So myself as I haven't got the load sensing on mine yet but I think I might sort it this year, the way I do it is leave the spool off till it beeps for bale full, put spool on, let it net, wrap it, drop it out, it closes down away I go and knock the spool off again. You can come and see mine if you like.

thanks might have too, just wondered as the mf doesnt have load sensing and was wondering about power llose with pumping oil but i understand what u are doing
 

Boohoo

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Newtownabbey
A Bio can be set up pretty much whatever way you want, depending on the tractor. Open centre, closed centre or load sensing hydraulics can all be catered for without major modifications. Having a tractor on constant pump won't be an issue if the valve block is set up correctly for the tractor. Auto stop of the pto is possible but I think pto start has to be manual for safety reasons. A Bio will be quicker than a Fusion on wet or steep ground if you have to wait for the Fusion to wrap before moving
 

hally

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cumbria
Do you think speed is up to the job nowadays. I know that when the storm clouds are gathering my 550 cannot go fast enough and 25-30 bales seems slow. Again does anybody know a ball park cost?
 

kill

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South West
. A Bio will be quicker than a Fusion on wet or steep ground if you have to wait for the Fusion to wrap before moving[/QUOTE]

Really? I very ,very doubt that as on steep ground with a Fusion we very often carry 2 bale's to a safe place and only wait for the second bale to be wrapped so how would one at a time be quicker? And if a field has a wet area where it's better to wrap a bale with out moving it would be very rare that the full field would need that method and it hasn't happened ever in all but 10 seasons of combi baling/wrapping in a very wet area.
 

wdah/him

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tyrone
. A Bio will be quicker than a Fusion on wet or steep ground if you have to wait for the Fusion to wrap before moving

Really? I very ,very doubt that as on steep ground with a Fusion we very often carry 2 bale's to a safe place and only wait for the second bale to be wrapped so how would one at a time be quicker? And if a field has a wet area where it's better to wrap a bale with out moving it would be very rare that the full field would need that method and it hasn't happened ever in all but 10 seasons of combi baling/wrapping in a very wet area.[/QUOTE]

different country different gtound. apparently a fusion three is replaced witha bio this year, least the contractors name was on a bio and mower at a show earlier on year, it is his third fusion he has trouble in hills and i had to bale a field they spent half a day with a digger pulling him out, i never marked it but u darnet have went in with the wrapper, also the reason i dont want a fusion type, other wise i would have had a krone combi
 

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