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martian · Jul 3, 2014

For some reason I've lost the ability to post more than one snap, bear with me, this is the last one...first year ryegrass/red clover aftermath. This was a very dirty BG field, there is no evidence of any BG already, swamped out by the bulky forage crop. Odd BG plant got ensiled in the first cut, by the time we drill wheat in here next year (or beans if we are worried about the simoning threat) with minimum disturbance 750a, then it should be pretty clean (see post above)

Dan Powell · Jul 3, 2014

Interested in the clover ley. We are planning on putting 50 acres in for a neighbouring dairy farm this autumn. How did you establish it? With the 750a or broadcast? I'm undecided at the moment. It will be going in after milling wheat and should be a fairly good break crop. Bit concerned about volunteer IRG afterwards...

martian · Jul 3, 2014

Dan
We just baled the straw and put roundup on pre-drilling and slotted seed in with 750a and stood back. Drilled into moisture, surprisingly deep. Flat rolled it this spring, not sure if it was necessary, but you get some lovely stripes...
Volunteer ryegrass was our mistake, bit mean with herbicides this winter as it looked cleaner than it is

Will Blackburn · Jul 3, 2014

Dan Powell said:
Interested in the clover ley. We are planning on putting 50 acres in for a neighbouring dairy farm this autumn. How did you establish it? With the 750a or broadcast? I'm undecided at the moment. It will be going in after milling wheat and should be a fairly good break crop. Bit concerned about volunteer IRG afterwards...

We have drilled wheat after IRG and PRG. After PRG there is a very few volunteers, after IRG there is a significant amount of volunteers. I think I need a new herbicide strategy?

Baling Hay · Jul 3, 2014

Will Blackburn said:
We have drilled wheat after IRG and PRG. After PRG there is a very few volunteers, after IRG there is a significant amount of volunteers. I think I need a new herbicide strategy?

Did you let it go to seed though?

Will Blackburn · Jul 3, 2014

Steakeater said:
Did you let it go to seed though?

No, always cut for silage, could be the original ley that the glyphosate didn't kill. Although given that the IRG is worse than PRG would suggest it was from seed.

martian · Jul 3, 2014

We thought that we'd cut the grass before it had viable seeds too, but evidently some got through

JNG · Jul 4, 2014

Dan Powell said:
Interested in the clover ley. We are planning on putting 50 acres in for a neighbouring dairy farm this autumn. How did you establish it? With the 750a or broadcast? I'm undecided at the moment. It will be going in after milling wheat and should be a fairly good break crop. Bit concerned about volunteer IRG afterwards...

Having used both in this situation in the past use Perennial ryegrass rather than Italian which goes to seed so quickly and a bit of bad weather and silage delayed and you have shed seed. From the dairy farmers point of view I think the timing of the red clover is important in silage quality and this may fit in better with the perennial cutting times also. Just my opinion.

SilliamWhale · Jul 4, 2014

what is the cost and yield of a 2 year perennial rye compared to IRG?

JNG · Jul 4, 2014

IRG would be cheeper no doubt.
https://www.cotswoldseeds.com/seedmix/silage-hay

Not as expensive as grass weed control in following crops if IRG seeeds seeds tho!

Great In Grass · Jul 4, 2014

JNG said:
IRG would be cheeper no doubt.

Some IRG price's have tumbled down today.

Baling Hay · Jul 4, 2014

Great In Grass said:
Some IRG price's have tumbled down today.

why?

Feldspar · Jul 4, 2014

Looking good @martian according to my inexpert opinion. Last two small pictures look good from the photos.

Feldspar · Aug 8, 2014

How's the harvest going @martian?

martian · Aug 8, 2014

All right thanks Feldspar. Had a good run of dry weather down here and all but 60 odd acres of wheat are in. Looks like Solstice and Invicta have both run at an average of 3 tonnes/acre which isn't exactly barn breaking, but we had some thin crops (courtesy of the two Simons, inter alia) and bad blackgrass areas (yieldmeter fluctuating from 5 to 10 tonnes/ha as we moved through patches). Rape did 1.5t/a which is good for us, across 350 acres. S barley, S wheat and peas still to go...

Feldspar · Sep 2, 2014

martian said:
All right thanks Feldspar. Had a good run of dry weather down here and all but 60 odd acres of wheat are in. Looks like Solstice and Invicta have both run at an average of 3 tonnes/acre which isn't exactly barn breaking, but we had some thin crops (courtesy of the two Simons, inter alia) and bad blackgrass areas (yieldmeter fluctuating from 5 to 10 tonnes/ha as we moved through patches). Rape did 1.5t/a which is good for us, across 350 acres. S barley, S wheat and peas still to go...

Any more updates? How have the other crops done?

martian · Sep 5, 2014

I'd rather not say...

Sorry for slow reply, but been busy getting Mulika in, albeit not as busy as all that. Averaging under 2.5t/a but 14% protein so should be worth a bit. Crop was too thin all through really, for a variety of reasons no doubt. Been waiting for it to ripen/dry but won't drop below 17%, so got to get it in now and dry it with the forecast being dodgy after today. Peas averaged under 1.5t/acre and barley was pretty good rubbish so all in all don't come to me for advice on dd spring crops on heavy land... Finished Invicta with some nice fields that were nearer 4t/a. I'd be happy enough with all this if everyone else wasn't banging on about their record yields!

Jim Bullock · Sep 5, 2014

martian said:
I'd rather not say...

Sorry for slow reply, but been busy getting Mulika in, albeit not as busy as all that. Averaging under 2.5t/a but 14% protein so should be worth a bit. Crop was too thin all through really, for a variety of reasons no doubt. Been waiting for it to ripen/dry but won't drop below 17%, so got to get it in now and dry it with the forecast being dodgy after today. Peas averaged under 1.5t/acre and barley was pretty good rubbish so all in all don't come to me for advice on dd spring crops on heavy land... Finished Invicta with some nice fields that were nearer 4t/a. I'd be happy enough with all this if everyone else wasn't banging on about their record yields!

Your Invicta did well...some of ours was nearer to 4tons/ha...I do not think its a good variety for dd..as it suffers from poor grain fill if its under stress.

SilliamWhale · Sep 5, 2014

martian said:
I'd rather not say...

Sorry for slow reply, but been busy getting Mulika in, albeit not as busy as all that. Averaging under 2.5t/a but 14% protein so should be worth a bit. Crop was too thin all through really, for a variety of reasons no doubt. Been waiting for it to ripen/dry but won't drop below 17%, so got to get it in now and dry it with the forecast being dodgy after today. Peas averaged under 1.5t/acre and barley was pretty good rubbish so all in all don't come to me for advice on dd spring crops on heavy land... Finished Invicta with some nice fields that were nearer 4t/a. I'd be happy enough with all this if everyone else wasn't banging on about their record yields!

I'm finding most spring wheat hasn't been amazing this year. My tybalt may have got to 2.5t/acre but doubt it. Just the way it goes sometimes - with its different grain fill characteristic compared to barley its just one of those things. But its no worse than any of the ploughed stuff in the area - I think it missed out on a bit of moisture in July whereby everything else had had what it wanted.

Can't win 'em all! (unless you change your name to Clive

- only joking Clive

)

Clive · Sep 5, 2014

SilliamWhale said:
I'm finding most spring wheat hasn't been amazing this year. My tybalt may have got to 2.5t/acre but doubt it. Just the way it goes sometimes - with its different grain fill characteristic compared to barley its just one of those things. But its no worse than any of the ploughed stuff in the area - I think it missed out on a bit of moisture in July whereby everything else had had what it wanted.

Can't win 'em all! (unless you change your name to Clive - only joking Clive )

well my soya never even got to harvest and spring oats haven't done very well - I certainly loose some

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