giving up a AhA tenancy

Walterp · Oct 27, 2013

multi power said:
@Walterp do you realy think shropshire is better than pembrokeshire?
we nearly bought a farm near ellsmere before moving to carmarthen, but my choice would have been pembrokeshire any day

Well, perhaps I exaggerate; there are hill places in Shropshire, too, just as there are in Pembrokeshire.

My choice? I s'pose I'd plump for around Ludlow, something like the old Griffiths (Pye Brook herd) place would be nice.

multi power · Oct 27, 2013

shropshire is too far inland for me, pembs is nice mild winters with good grass groth
i actuatl liked a farm down by angle somewhere but dad said too dry in summer

Walterp · Oct 27, 2013

multi power said:
shropshire is too far inland for me, pembs is nice mild winters with good grass groth
i actuatl liked a farm down by angle somewhere but dad said too dry in summer

Walleston Farm?

multi power · Oct 27, 2013

i cant remember, it was sold in 1995 n there was a sale there in august i think, 300 odd acres from memory, and it was cheap

B&B Pig Man · Oct 28, 2013

newholland driver said:
Hi thanks for everybodys responses some very good points and needs a lot of thinking about im only 40 with a 1 year old son so landlord can see it could be in our hands for a long time yet. I'd like keep it in a perfect world for me then if he wants it my son but if I could get a pay out of nearly a million it really makes you think that could be a good start on a mortgage on another place or to invest in something different it would take along time if ever to get that sort of profit out of the farm.
increasing the dairy unit is not really possible without major investment which we cant afford and landlords wont do all designed for 150 cows.

Have you considered approaching your landlord to buy the farm you are currently on?
Discounted price due to sitting tenant etc.

Might be worth a look.

cattow · Oct 28, 2013

B&B Pig Man said:
Have you considered approaching your landlord to buy the farm you are currently on?
Discounted price due to sitting tenant etc.

Might be worth a look.

This would be a sign of strength, if you ask to be paid out they may think your going anyway

Walterp · Oct 28, 2013

cattow said:
This would be a sign of strength, if you ask to be paid out they may think your going anyway

No, I'd doubt that - the landlord might, just as easily, think that they;d be planning to buy it to cash it in themselves.

(Which would, incidentally, be the best thing to do...)

Nearly · Oct 28, 2013

Ask landlord to either put in new dairy unit for 500, sell you the farm or pay you out.
That should focus their minds!

If you're on a AHA tenancy then you put in a major investment as a tenant they will have to pay you out on that, leaving them with a whatever that they don't want.

Say you want to build the new dairy unit over the top of the traditional buildings site as they're no value to you.

Play the game

Just realised that I'm landlord of more acres than I'm tenant of, at least they're all FBT's!

Salopian_Will · Oct 28, 2013

Nearly said:
Ask landlord to either put in new dairy unit for 500, sell you the farm or pay you out.
That should focus their minds!

If you're on a AHA tenancy then you put in a major investment as a tenant they will have to pay you out on that, leaving them with a whatever that they don't want.

Say you want to build the new dairy unit over the top of the traditional buildings site as they're no value to you.

Play the game

Just realised that I'm landlord of more acres than I'm tenant of, at least they're all FBT's!

You have to get Landlord's approval to build something which you might later be comensated for. You cannot spend £1mn and then the next day ask the Landlord to fork out for it when you hand in your notice.

Nearly · Oct 28, 2013

Yes, but the process of asking for approval could kick start discussion. I'm just throwing things out there until the workshop floor dries out a bit.

Chrisw · Oct 28, 2013

But if the landlord refuses permission and that refusal is unfounded, as tenant you can go to the Agricultural Land Tribrunal and they can force the landlord to approve or pay for the necessard improvements.

cattow · Oct 28, 2013

WillB said:
You have to get Landlord's approval to build something which you might later be comensated for. You cannot spend £1mn and then the next day ask the Landlord to fork out for it when you hand in your notice.

Correct. Also if you build without approval it belongs to landlord after 10 years and they can charge rent on your building

hindmaist · Oct 28, 2013

Chrisw said:
But if the landlord refuses permission and that refusal is unfounded, as tenant you can go to the Agricultural Land Tribrunal and they can force the landlord to approve or pay for the necessard improvements.

Yes,but whats appropriate for a 370 acre farm ? I doubt if a 500 cow dairy unit would fall into that category.

Salopian_Will · Oct 28, 2013

cattow said:
Correct. Also if you build without approval it belongs to landlord after 10 years and they can charge rent on your building

Not quite right. It would probably fall as a fixture. Which you could remove or leave with no compensation. It does however remain yours throughout the life of the tenancy.

cattow · Oct 28, 2013

WillB said:
Not quite right. It would probably fall as a fixture. Which you could remove or leave with no compensation. It does however remain yours throughout the life of the tenancy.

I believe to classed as a fixture it has to sit on the surface, which is what I have done with some small sheds here, but it is a worry on nights like last night !

billboy 1 · Sep 2, 2014

farm on our estate wouldn't allow sucsession for son of deceased and has now been let on 5yr fbt for at least double aha rent itro £200/a now if they payed me a mill to get out( as I thinky son would be treated the same way think I'd have to seriously considor it 250a place that would be extra 25k + 12 k for house they get freehold back and 3.7% return

glasshouse · Sep 2, 2014

billboy 1 said:
farm on our estate wouldn't allow sucsession for son of deceased and has now been let on 5yr fbt for at least double aha rent itro £200/a now if they payed me a mill to get out( as I thinky son would be treated the same way think I'd have to seriously considor it 250a place that would be extra 25k + 12 k for house they get freehold back and 3.7% return

why did they not allow succession? its the law.

B'o'B · Sep 2, 2014

You have to tick quite a few boxes to be an eligible successor south of the border, my guess would be one of them wasn't sorted out or paperwork couldn't prove it. It is worth a lot to a landlord to end a AHA tenancy so tenants need to be fully prepared.

billboy 1 · Sep 3, 2014

didn't for fill all criteria I guess very sad and a sign of things to come on this traditional estate I fear

Pedders · Sep 3, 2014

Goweresque said:
Proof (if it were ever needed) that the AHA was legalised theft.

rubbish ...all property is theft in the first place
where did the landlord get it from ?

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