Camera's again

Cowabunga

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Yes, it is a superb camera but because it is so customisable it does require work to learn how to get the best out of it. It is so satisfying to get the pictures out of it that you really want, that it is worth the effort.

Trouble is that if you get another brand you will have to go back to nearly the beginning of the learning curve again. Not quite, because a lot of what you have learnt about this camera can be applied or adapted to other brands, but they all have their own 'character', including different menus and functions to be found in different parts of the menu.

Assuming that you have been re-embursed for most of the purchase price of the camera and lens, then the world is your lobster again. You could choose another G6 with that lens, which is pretty well superb, as you know. Or a GH3 or a FZ1000 superzoom, which all will be familiar to you because they have a very similar control system and menu, although the FZ1000, acclaimed as it is, does not have a touch-screen LCD.

Or you could choose any other camera you fancy. Some people like a change, but be prepared to be disappointed at their versatility after using the G6.


Bargain camera of this week is the Canon EOS-M which is available only at Argos at the price of £199 with a 18/55 3x zoom lens [similar to a 14/42 zoom on the G6]
In my opinion this is a crap camera, although it might be an ideal spare camera.
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
Whats your option of the GH 4 Panasonic

It is an excellent camera but I have absolutely no need for its 'professional' features and no wish to pay the premium price for it. For professional photographers it is superb and its price is relative to what you compare it to. If you compare it to some of its targeted rivals, it is a bargain.

In short, it is too good for me. I would be more inclined to buy a GH3, but even so it is bigger and heavier than the G6 and I don't need that. I like the handling, size and weight of the G6. [I have two of them]. If I was in the market for a camera today, I would still buy a G6. Even so I have several other cameras but the go-to camera is the G6.

In the tractor I tend to carry the Nikon P500 super zoom though, because it is smaller and lighter still and now worth next-to bugger-all. It is not a good camera in today's hardware terms, but photography is about the image, not the hardware. The image isn't great with this one though but it is good enough for recording unimportant stuff.
Here's what I mean from the P500 bridge super-zoom, not zoomed in too much, followed by one from the G6
tractor.jpg
the path.jpg
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Difficult to see what I mean here but the top one is mushy with no detail in the soil or leaves if viewed full-screen, while the second one, despite difficult contrasty conditions, is crisp and clear and could be printed or viewed quite large and near and impress.
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
Have a look at the Sony A6000.
Its lenses are rather big compared to Panasonic and Olympus and you will probably not find a similar lens to your old one that you would want to leave on the camera permanently. Lovely camera though.

If you can justify the GH4 to yourself, go for it. Personally I would prefer to buy two quality cameras for the same money. Maybe a quality pocketable compact like the Olympus EPL-5 with compact lens and the G6 or GX7 with 14/140 zoom, Olympus 45mm f1.8 prime and a wide angle prime. The beauty with all of these is that the lenses are interchangeable. All that lot could be bought for the price of a GH4 with two weather resistant lenses with lots of change.

The reason I like the Micro 4/3 cameras is that they provide the best compromise between size and image quality and the control of depth of field and low light performance.
You can get 'better' in certain areas, no doubt about it, but I like the whole package. Many people have found that big cameras just don't get carried and used much, while I find the G6 very convenient to carry around, either on a side sling or in a compact holster bag. Your view and taste may vary.
 

Derrick Hughes

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Ceredigion
Thanks for the help again
Looks like best get another G6 then, being without it for a month has done my head in, that little Sony don't seem the same after the G6 and having problems with that again, the flaps that shut across the lens seem to be scratching it
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
Keep your cameras clean and dry and don't knock them or scratch the front of the lens. That goes for them all except a tough camera. Tough cameras take rubbish photos in comparison to high end cameras in poor light, although I recently bought a Nikon Coolpix S32 for really wet weather, underwater and beach use. [Yes, I know, :rolleyes:, but it is better than risking my better cameras in nasty conditions]. Only £80 and really quite useful at times and for older children, although it is not a toy by any means.
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
You are lucky to be getting anything. I assume you took out an all-risks extended warranty type of thing with someone like Currys? If so, it all depends on the terms and conditions of the insurance product.
Ordinary warranty does not cover accidental damage such as your camera's water contamination.
 

Derrick Hughes

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Ceredigion
They haven't accused me of accidentall damage I have 21 day replacement cover if not returned by that date which they haveofferd to do with like for like but say theyvdont stock that package, I see on the website they have the camera with no lens or a cheaper lens,

I may take it up with trading standards, apararantly a standard 12 month wararenty states if not returned in 28 days they have a duty to replace with a new one
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
They haven't accused me of accidentall damage I have 21 day replacement cover if not returned by that date which they haveofferd to do with like for like but say theyvdont stock that package, I see on the website they have the camera with no lens or a cheaper lens,

I may take it up with trading standards, apararantly a standard 12 month wararenty states if not returned in 28 days they have a duty to replace with a new one

Even though they don't do that kit package any longer, they do sell the body and lens separately, so there should be no problem whatsoever in that regard.
As previously mentioned, I doubt whether there is any fault with your lens, so they could actually just supply a new body and match it to your existing lens if they pulled their finger out and got the authority form the right person. If I know anything about this, I would bet that nobody is willing to take a decision. Watching their backs.
 

Derrick Hughes

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Ceredigion
It seems the 14 140 lens is priced and around £500 against the 45 150 at £200, so it may be a better option for me to have the old camera back, they have offered to replace with new but don't stock that lens
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Yes the lens is now £500 and, with the body, your old kit now sells for somewhere in the mid £800's. Which just shows what a bargain it was when we bought it. The lens does actually sell at that price, which is why I advised that you should try and get it back. You shouldn't really have sent it in to the repairers in the first place, but isn't hindsight wonderful.

You could indeed settle for a two lens kit with the 45/150 and the 14/45, but it isn't half as convenient as having the one 14/140 lens.
Personally I can't see why they couldn't send your old lens back with a new body. That would be the best result all round as long as it hasn't actually been damaged by water.
 

Derrick Hughes

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Location
Ceredigion
The camera is now repaired and have the option to have it back, what I am annoyed with is the lies they have told me, they no longer sell panasonic and although it's on their website it's out of stock yet you click on the website it clearly shows available in stores and home delivery
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Big retail groups are great at trying to sell stuff, especially extended warranties and payment protection plans [in their day], but when it comes down to the nitty-gritty they almost always have no interest in problem solving. That's the way things are I'm afraid.
They do say that John Lewis is good at this, but I have never had to put them to the test. Local small businesses like Carmarthen Cameras have the potential to be better too. They jolly well should be, because if they do not give a better personal service, what is the point of using them? Again I haven't put them to the test.
There's a small Bosch washing machine dealer and repair specialist at Llandysul who gives exceptionally good service, but that is no good to you at the moment.
 

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