Moore or less drill, on tillage

redbaron · Sep 12, 2014

Our linseed straw will be baled. Have been leaving a 6-8" stubble y'day to alleviate wrapping problem, but prefer shorter to produce more bales!

Yes, have been well satisfied with depth control with the Moore. Usual variation between light and heavy soils within field, which imo affects all drills. Not sure about cutting into really hard dried out clay. We DD'd the rape into v. shallow culti-pressed wheat stubble last Sept. 3" below top inch was hard, and went OK (pretty heavy stuff). I think this year's rape stubble is harder and drier at the moment, and haven't made final decision about action ahead of drill if any, yet.

Have pm'd you about sending pic.

Clive · Sep 12, 2014

linseed DD is not a problem with a disc drill - you leave a fluffy "wool" of straw on the top but it soon disappears

no hope with times though as they juts drag it into piles at the headland

Simon C · Sep 12, 2014

Moore into stripped linseed last year

yellow belly · Sep 14, 2014

if you are drilling in to linseed stubble or even discded stubble you will find that the tines will soon block up however short the stubble
a lesson learnt when we disced and and tried to spring tine a seed bed after ploughing in very hard dry conditions over 20 years ago
after that just disced and drilled
with a moore I would just drill with no cultivations some stubble can get between the disc and the coulter and wrap round with good coulter to dics settings it us usually no problem
this will happen even if you have cultivated .loose linseed stubble is harder to deal with than stubble attached to the ground

franklin · Sep 14, 2014

Just for a trial, we went from putting the grass into chopped wheat, to dropping the depth to wheat depth and having a go with the vaderstad into the chopped linseed. Well. Ground so hard that the discs were bouncing out, and when they werent they were bunging up with the fluff.

But the grass and last years OSR has proved to me that single disc will do the job, so keeping my eyes out for some reasonably priced tin now.

LoamRanger · Sep 14, 2014

@static Have you tried winter wheat into grass? Rather than the other way around.
I'd like to plant WW late onto 5 yr temp grass on clay loam. I could then leave it late (without fear of getting wet and never drying out here in the West country, if I had to otherwise plough) but not sure if enough tilth with a single disc drill. Vaddy not enough weight I suspect but loads of them around here so willing to get a neighbor in to try it should anyone think differently.

franklin · Sep 14, 2014

No, I am just learning really. The 2yr grass I planted will be followed by OSR.

Seen plenty slot seed new grass into old with a vaddy though.

redbaron · Sep 21, 2014

Do you find your Moore with the rubber wheels good for depth control, and secondly does it cut in well into real hard ground? My clay has gone from mud to iron in 3 weeks and my brother is unimpressed about drilling into stubbles at speed. And when I say speed, I only mean about 9 to 10k. Can you post a picture of the full width toolbar please?

I can now add another answer to this. We did some trial drilling with our Moore into stubble last Friday, to help decide the approach in next 7-10 days when we start drilling properly. Direct into untouched stubble on heavy clay/silt penetration was a problem - could only achieve a 1.5" slot at best, and poor closure. We tried into 3 different depths which we prepared with a power harrow: 1" , 1.5" and 2.5". The result with drill was progressively better as cultivation depth increased. But even so I would be nervous of drilling in earnest unless we can improve drilling depth and closure. Will try again tomorrow, following 7mm rain late on Friday. Another thread on here also suggests loading drill frame/platform with weights; that should help - we know that we get better depth when drill hopper is full, and on Friday we only put about 100kg in drill.

clbarclay · Sep 21, 2014

Which holes in the drag arm are your discs bolted on to?

Mine are bolted on as far forwards as possible and penetration is bearly enough today when the hopper is nearly empty. But they front springs have all the weight on them they can handle, with a full hopper and too much weight on them they will coil bound on bumps (current field was mole ploughed) and set the whole drill pitching very badly.

I can move the discs back a hole on the drag arms before the press wheels get in the way (mine is predates staggered press wheels), so will moving the discs back a bit to see if it the leaverage gives more penetration without increasing load on the front springs. I replaced all the springs recently after realising they had all sag quite a bit, it had probably had 15 years being parked with the springs compressed.

rob1 · Sep 21, 2014

LoamRanger said:
@static Have you tried winter wheat into grass? Rather than the other way around.
I'd like to plant WW late onto 5 yr temp grass on clay loam. I could then leave it late (without fear of getting wet and never drying out here in the West country, if I had to otherwise plough) but not sure if enough tilth with a single disc drill. Vaddy not enough weight I suspect but loads of them around here so willing to get a neighbor in to try it should anyone think differently.

If you have sprayed it off then a claydon would do a great job of it did some a couple of years ago and it worked a treat, whereabouts in wilts are you ?

redbaron · Sep 22, 2014

clbarclay said:
Which holes in the drag arm are your discs bolted on to?

Mine are bolted on as far forwards as possible and penetration is bearly enough today when the hopper is nearly empty. But they front springs have all the weight on them they can handle, with a full hopper and too much weight on them they will coil bound on bumps (current field was mole ploughed) and set the whole drill pitching very badly.

I can move the discs back a hole on the drag arms before the press wheels get in the way (mine is predates staggered press wheels), so will moving the discs back a bit to see if it the leaverage gives more penetration without increasing load on the front springs. I replaced all the springs recently after realising they had all sag quite a bit, it had probably had 15 years being parked with the springs compressed.

I have the DP300 model, with staggered front rubber wheels and staggered steel press wheels. Front rubber wheels are in forward of 2 mounting holes. On our drill there is no choice of hole on drag arm to mount discs further forward or back....BUT there is an adjustment which kind of "rotates" the disc mounting plate around one of the bolts, and has the effect of altering the pitch of the seed coulter. We adjusted this today to make the seed coulter more keen (ie. nearer to vertical). This had the effect of putting the opening that the seed comes out of nearer to the bottom of the slot, so the seed also receives more soil on top. The action of the coulter in this position is also more aggresive, so throws more soil into the path of the rear press wheel. Hope that makes sense. All in all a significant improvement on performance over Friday's attempts!

LoamRanger · Sep 22, 2014

First, @rob1, North wilts, land Hullavington thru Malmesbury to Minety. The latter is all grass. You on dry land in the south?
Second, The grass is not (yet) sprayed off. Dung going on everywhere currently. All stubbles sprayed last week. Did look at Mzuri and McConnel Seederator. Always thought something with a disc before leg would be tidier on opening clays. Not spoken to Claydon as heard they are v 'keen' on leads. Not sure I want that sales pressure.
Lastly, yet again info and advice from everyone inc @redbaron is invaluable.
Will a folding 4meter be too light compaired to rigid 3m? Is it as easy to load with weight?

rob1 · Sep 23, 2014

LoamRanger said:
First, @rob1, North wilts, land Hullavington thru Malmesbury to Minety. The latter is all grass. You on dry land in the south?
Second, The grass is not (yet) sprayed off. Dung going on everywhere currently. All stubbles sprayed last week. Did look at Mzuri and McConnel Seederator. Always thought something with a disc before leg would be tidier on opening clays. Not spoken to Claydon as heard they are v 'keen' on leads. Not sure I want that sales pressure.
Lastly, yet again info and advice from everyone inc @redbaron is invaluable.
Will a folding 4meter be too light compaired to rigid 3m? Is it as easy to load with weight?

No we are on the clay just down the road near trowbridge, I came up and did some drilling for an old boy on common road out of Corston, my father also lived in one of the houses they built on the old garage in corston so know the area a bit. Some heavy ground out Minety way thats for sure. Claydon will be keen to sell but never felt "pressure" from the boss, he is always happy to chat things through. I would offer to come and drill some for you but am tied up this year but would be happy to hire the drill to you to have a try if you want I am sure charlie would come down and set it up for you,only way to see if it works is to get it done on your dirt

Deere 6430 · Sep 27, 2014

I can highly recommend the SimTec, Simple to use and cheap to run and does the best job out there.

Mr Tree · Sep 27, 2014

Well I'm learning,got a tandem moore this time a 2004 model with the front packer.
Wanted one for 10 years or more ,always loved the simple robust and very positive drilling system.swapped from a vaderstad (my second)

After a few weeks of major stress, learning on a crap crop like osr ,I now have the opinion that this drill with the right marketing would be the drill(I believe the system is now sold by sky agriculture )

So, I have now drilled rape (twice ,but that's another story) grass,barley and wheat,

Easy to pull easy to set ,does what it's supposed to do and puts seed in at even depth,very good seed soil contact hence quick germination .it also sits and doesn't move ,no bounce etc.even at speeds of 14kph .drilled in both tri tilled ,power harrowed and direct drilled rape situations.

Listened to Sam Moore though,roll before drilling,this drill loves tight ground and speed can be increased.

Mark C · Sep 29, 2014

My Moore has sat in the shed for 3 weeks full of grass seed. Tried twice on some sprayed off grassland after rain but couldn't get more than 20mm of penetration with all the weight on the discs. Going to have to be patient, but have a nasty feeling that when it starts to rain it won't know how to stop!

LoamRanger · Oct 11, 2014

I've been away from the keyboard, drilling. Catch up now its rained (and rained- just as @Mark C predicted)
@rob1 Thanks for drill hire offer, a kind deed. With more time available I'd have taken up the opportunity.
Have been out with McConnell Seedaerator demo. Went well and they kindly left it with me to finish two fields. One cotswold brash that had been disced after harvest. The other sandy loam, untouched since wheat harvest, I drilled W Barley into the 'cover crop' of docks and grass

. Overall, apparent success looking at result against cost but as chickens haven't hatched yet I ought to comment after germination. Comparison is to plowed/combi and just combination drilled with Amazone rotec.
@Deere 6430 I have been a 'fan' of SimTec for years (simple drill for a simple dairy boy) but never felt happy about closure/seed covering. I'm guessing it's good in stone but maybe not so good in clay, but what is.
@Mr Tree, Glad to hear you like Moore over the Vaddy, my driver never shuts up about getting a vaddy, so I will be glad to pass your comments on

as he doesn't agree with DDing nor a Moore.

Deere 6430 · Oct 12, 2014

No problem with closure or seed covering on clay, I drill a lot on clay and never had a problem. Any other questions please ask.

rob1 · Oct 12, 2014

LoamRanger said:
I've been away from the keyboard, drilling. Catch up now its rained (and rained- just as @Mark C predicted)
@rob1 Thanks for drill hire offer, a kind deed. With more time available I'd have taken up the opportunity.
Have been out with McConnell Seedaerator demo. Went well and they kindly left it with me to finish two fields. One cotswold brash that had been disced after harvest. The other sandy loam, untouched since wheat harvest, I drilled W Barley into the 'cover crop' of docks and grass . Overall, apparent success looking at result against cost but as chickens haven't hatched yet I ought to comment after germination. Comparison is to plowed/combi and just combination drilled with Amazone rotec.
@Deere 6430 I have been a 'fan' of SimTec for years (simple drill for a simple dairy boy) but never felt happy about closure/seed covering. I'm guessing it's good in stone but maybe not so good in clay, but what is.
@Mr Tree, Glad to hear you like Moore over the Vaddy, my driver never shuts up about getting a vaddy, so I will be glad to pass your comments on as he doesn't agree with DDing nor a Moore.

Drilled my worse field (its shite)last sunday with the claydon having done it before with the simtech both as good as each other for slot closing,but the simtech moves less soil so I reckon better for weed control

Against_the_grain · Dec 8, 2014

There seems to of been quite a lot of chat regarding these drills in dry conditions but how do they run in the wet? Are they any better or worse than other disc drills?

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