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caveman

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Location
East Sussex.
Quite.

But many (most?) British farmers, horn or corn, use it to subsidise food production, right?

Why?
For a feeling of morality?
I would feel very happy to produce as much as I and my holding could, for reasonable hours and cost of production (including upkeep of the infrastructure and the basic stock and resources), in exchange for a tax free payment of, say, £26k per year.
I ain't greedy.
 
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I'm always surprised at these head-up-arse attitudes - in no other occupation do you find anyone describing a 'real' professional and a, err, what? An 'unreal' one?

The reality is that, like every other occupation, there are successful and unsuccessful farmers. That's the real distinction.

The bright people will always find a way to structure their businesses so as to increase their net worth over time (the true object of farming, I'd suggest) and that, rather than who gets to chase sheep in the rain, will determine the direction UK agriculture will take.

It'd be wiser to consider the use to which annual SFP receipts are put: some working farmers will be using them to pay a mortgage to buy more land, pay down debt or, even, build a nice extension to their farmhouse (including some that have 'liked' the post decrying 'non real' farmers, thus demonstrating that you can still be a hypocrite even when your eyeballs are rubbing your kidneys), whilst some will be using it to shore up a business that isn't going anywhere.

What the head-up-arse sheep-chasers really mean, of course, is 'deserving'. Like, err, them...

Question: who is the more deserving recipient? The claimant who uses his SFP to restructure his business, or the one who spends it to support an otherwise unviable business?

Or is it none of our business how anyone runs their business?

You are a very bizarre being. :scratchhead:

Your hatred for farmers simply can't be disguised, with an opportunity to criticize or deem farmers as unprofessional is rarely missed. Insulting farming types by referring to any farmer as "head-up-their-arse sheep-chasers" along with most of your post above leaves us in no more need of proof.

Yet you are married to a farmer, are a father of one and are fatherd by a farmer as well as having a brother who is/was one and still you run down so many members of our industry. Quite hollow!

My term of "real farmer" is simply to define between those who are active and those who are not. Exactly the same as when you referred to them as "working farmers" what other job could someone have where they are Non working?

Why get so involved in farming related debates, surely if you have as much money as you say and if you liked farming, there is nothing to stand in your way of being a farmer, after all it is in your breeding, is it not?
 

caveman

Member
Location
East Sussex.
Can we then debate the point,
Ok.
Do you think you will have to repay money from previous years, now that they understand the finer points of the scheme and after they have unravelled your activities?
Should keep an army of researchers engaged for a good few years. All paid for with what they will be witholding during the while.
 

Walterp

Member
Location
Pembrokeshire
You missed out an option on deserving recipients.

The SFP claimant who has no business to restructure or support,just ticks the boxes and has a nice fat cheque to help with the kids private schooling,or whatever takes his fancy.
Question: what is the distinction between me (paying for my daughter's education from the SFP) and Hilly using his to build a nice new extension to his farmhouse?
 

Derrick Hughes

Member
Location
Ceredigion
Ok.
Do you think you will have to repay money from previous years, now that they understand the finer points of the scheme and after they have unravelled your activities?
Should keep an army of researchers engaged for a good few years. All paid for with what they will be witholding during the while.
What activities would they be

My mates just got a job Hungary, the farm there is milking over a 1000 cows and taken on another.9000 acres to expand, at a cost of £1000 acre, they have received an 80% government grant for all works,
What do you do, poke scorn at your allies,
Have a good evening
 

caveman

Member
Location
East Sussex.
What activities would they be

My mates just got a job Hungary, the farm there is milking over a 1000 cows and taken on another.9000 acres to expand, at a cost of £1000 acre, they have received an 80% government grant for all works,
What do you do, poke scorn at your allies,
Have a good evening
And there was I thinking you wanted to discuss the thread topic?
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

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Red Tractor drops launch of green farming scheme amid anger from farmers

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As reported in Independent


quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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