Stone/aggregate for yard ?

Right-arm fast · Oct 19, 2014

We need to create a large stoned area to form access and turning outside our grainstore. Concrete would be preferable but if we were to stone it what should we be using in terms of types of stone/hardcore etc. Its been temporaraliy stoned up to the concrete apron immediately next to the building but its not good enough long term so the agregate thats down will have to come back up.

Thanks for any advice

RAF

glasshouse · Oct 19, 2014

Right-arm fast said:
We need to create a large stoned area to form access and turning outside our grainstore. Concrete would be preferable but if we were to stone it what should we be using in terms of types of stone/hardcore etc. Its been temporaraliy stoned up to the concrete apron immediately next to the building but its not good enough long term so the agregate thats down will have to come back up.

Thanks for any advice

RAF

recycled bricks?

Renaultman · Oct 19, 2014

glasshouse said:
recycled bricks?

That's what I was going to say, as long as you have something to track them down. If not a layer of 100-150mm clean followed by a layer of 40-60 all well consolidated.

mad contractor 3 · Oct 19, 2014

Quarry dust and a good roll

S J H · Oct 19, 2014

3" down crushed would do well, try to get it from a demolition job rather than a skip firm.

Right-arm fast · Oct 20, 2014

Thanks, what about drainage. Say bricks for the bottom 6", further 6" stone over the top?

S J H · Oct 20, 2014

Right-arm fast said:
Thanks, what about drainage. Say bricks for the bottom 6", further 6" stone over the top?

I'd just have 8" of crushed on terram depending on the ground. Top it with a couple inches of Tarmac planings to make it looked finished.

tomlad · Oct 21, 2014

if the surface has some fall away from the door way that will help surface run off

I agree tarram ./ geotex down first is important.

local demo firms had flakey shale , its cheep and ok , ish , crushed concretes ok too , top with 4/6 " plainings
problem with buying recycled from skip type firms is some times its clay rubbish , bit of a lottery
quarried stone should be just that , but its dearer

S J H · Oct 21, 2014

I had 20 loads booked for the other week. Crushed was in short supply apart from one firm which had demolished the town hall. 15 came in which was really good stuff, that site closed down that day though, so the next load came in from another site it was total shite, full of soil

Badshot · Oct 21, 2014

Whatever you do don't put road planings outside a grainstore if you are farm assured.

Cab-over Pete · Oct 24, 2014

Alex,

dig out, put terram down. If you want artics on it, go 2 ft" down. They won't get smaller over the years. Put some big stuff in the bottom. Be it brick, crushed concrete or quarry stone, 6" max size. ROLL IT TO DEATH. Put 3" of smaller stuff on top. ROLL IT TO DEATH. Top off with about 1/2" of GRANITE dust. It must be granite, not limestone which will crumble and go mucky. ROLL IT TO DEATH.

The granite dust will not be pulled up by tyres turning on it. It will be about 6mm down (4mm down would be better) to dust so there is nothing there for tyres to grab. 2 or 3 inch stone can be pulled out by tyres scrubbing on top. As said, avoid planings on the top for assurance purposes, but you could use that under the dust. Water won't get through it so make sure it has a gentle slope.

Just thought, wet the dust whilst rolling it, but not enough to make it stick to the roller. That will make it go down like concrete. If you do it this way, you will think the dust has gone a bit gooey, but let it dry a bit and roll it again. It's a great surface. The key is the rolling. Put someone on a heavy vibe roller for days. Some youth with ear phones will do nicely.

Derky · Oct 25, 2014

Recycled railway track ballast, goes down like a motorway. As pete says whatever you do roll it to death and not a poxy 2 tonne roller a big one and tracking it in does not count.

Cab-over Pete · Oct 25, 2014

Yes, railway ballast is good stuff and usually a reasonable price. Use recycled stuff where you can to avoid paying the aggregate tax.

roscoe erf · Oct 25, 2014

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121456030440?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2648

roscoe erf · Oct 25, 2014

whatever you use spinning artics round on it will tear it up

S J H · Oct 25, 2014

Cab-over Pete said:
Alex,

dig out, put terram down. If you want artics on it, go 2 ft" down. They won't get smaller over the years. Put some big stuff in the bottom. Be it brick, crushed concrete or quarry stone, 6" max size. ROLL IT TO DEATH. Put 3" of smaller stuff on top. ROLL IT TO DEATH. Top off with about 1/2" of GRANITE dust. It must be granite, not limestone which will crumble and go mucky. ROLL IT TO DEATH.

The granite dust will not be pulled up by tyres turning on it. It will be about 6mm down (4mm down would be better) to dust so there is nothing there for tyres to grab. 2 or 3 inch stone can be pulled out by tyres scrubbing on top. As said, avoid planings on the top for assurance purposes, but you could use that under the dust. Water won't get through it so make sure it has a gentle slope.

Just thought, wet the dust whilst rolling it, but not enough to make it stick to the roller. That will make it go down like concrete. If you do it this way, you will think the dust has gone a bit gooey, but let it dry a bit and roll it again. It's a great surface. The key is the rolling. Put someone on a heavy vibe roller for days. Some youth with ear phones will do nicely.

I can't see the point in going 2' down, if you're on ground and using terram, if it's staying as a hardcore yard then dig out less, and is it does sink then top it up. It would cost a fortune going 2'.

Cab-over Pete · Oct 25, 2014

It's probably just my "do it once forget it" mindset.

simon-0116 · Oct 25, 2014

Why not tarmac chippings for farm assurred???

Lofty1984 · Oct 25, 2014

simon-0116 said:
Why not tarmac chippings for farm assurred???

It's full of oil and fuel from the road for a start im sure I heard there is a limit on the amount you can store/use as it becomes an environmental issue with all the crap that runs off it plus it sticks to the wheels when wet not ideal if you need to go in and out of say a grain store

Badshot · Oct 25, 2014

simon-0116 said:
Why not tarmac chippings for farm assurred???

In particular for osr store, the tar will ruin the oil if it gets carried in in tyres.

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