Homemade tine drill

Neddy flanders · Sep 15, 2014

Bit of time now to sort out a plan B if too wet for 750a later this autumn.
Possibly have a front accord hopper. Which cultivator would work best, a 6m Kongskilde KKK with following harriw or a 6m Wilrich with no harrow?

Is a tank necessary or spread on?

clbarclay · Sep 15, 2014

I had tines similar to the Kongskilde on a Carrier drill and after that a converted Accord DL. They were ok on worked down ploughed ground, but not ideal, particarly in min till with trash or on clody ground where they would routle lumps up. I did think about replacing the tines with straight vertical pointed versions, like a farm force booty mate drill, but instead the Accord unit got stuck on top of a pig tail tine cultivator with bourgault knife openers and seed boots. I'm still working on a suitable following harrow for it to save on another pass with a zig zag harrow.

Flat 10 · Sep 19, 2014

well you could save a lot of time by spinning on and tining in with the wilrich. Should be able to do in almost any weather. Personally I'd use the front tank and the triple K- @B&B Pig Man I think is the man to consult on broadcast.....

B&B Pig Man · Sep 19, 2014

Broadcasting works very well - and the only thing that really puts a stop to it, from my point of view, is the seed dressing prohibiting it.

I built a drag for seed covering following the spinner.
1" pigtail tails, followed by 's' tines, then a following harrow - I've got some pictures somewhere, I'll try and find them.

Clive · Sep 19, 2014

Broadcast has to be the ultimate wet weather method. Ultimately if wet enough any coulter will block

The TFF drill trial proved to me that we shouldn't be afraid to do it.

In another 2012 I would be taking undress she'd straight from The heap, broadcasting and then wuizzing it in with a carrier or ideally minted tine

clbarclay · Sep 19, 2014

One potential down side to wet weather spinning on and harrowing in is neighbours making comments about drilling misses where the harrowing tractor had been. Had this with one field last year which looked stripy up till summer.

Against_the_grain · Oct 31, 2014

@B&B Pig Man do you regularly broadcast seed and cover it up with a triple k or similar? Do you get decent yields? Am seriously considering this method going forward but its quite radical!

B&B Pig Man · Nov 1, 2014

Against_the_grain said:
@B&B Pig Man do you regularly broadcast seed and cover it up with a triple k or similar? Do you get decent yields? Am seriously considering this method going forward but its quite radical!

Used to yes - I'd be quite to again.

Stopped mainly due to restrictions on broadcasting treated seed.
Now I'm looking to save time and do it in one pass - hence the Mzuri.

I have never noticed any correlation between my drilling method and yield tbh. It's all abouts conditions and the season.

Derky · Nov 1, 2014

Ned,
Triple k s tine. We have a load of these here that we made a jig to put a coulter on the back. Enough tines for 4 metres. Basically a piece of tube welded on back with a piece of plate at the bottom. an accord or krm tube then pushes straight into it. We have enough for a 4 metre as we made them up 2 years ago as a get out of jail card but never used them. If you want pm me your email address and i will take a pic.

moldengineer · Nov 1, 2014

clbarclay said:
One potential down side to wet weather spinning on and harrowing in is neighbours making comments about drilling misses where the harrowing tractor had been. Had this with one field last year which looked stripy up till summer.

We used an old international 511 drill in 2012. Came to the conclusion that we should have put narrow tyres on the tractor rather than 650s. We could have pulled it with 14.9 tyres and would have had better results, but it depends how wet it is.

B&B Pig Man · Nov 1, 2014

clbarclay said:
One potential down side to wet weather spinning on and harrowing in is neighbours making comments about drilling misses where the harrowing tractor had been. Had this with one field last year which looked stripy up till summer.

I've given up worrying what the neighbours think of me.
I know they all think I'm I'm crazy anyway!!

All that matters to me is being the best farmer I can be.

grumpy · Nov 1, 2014

db man has a home made one pass

@John 1594

John 1594 · Nov 1, 2014

grumpy said:
db man has a home made one pass @John 1594

Does the job well too. Its in for modifying this winter. Going to cut the old diamond bar spring tines off the front press and replace them with more modern flat bar triple k tines what dont snap as easily

Still think the ultimate wet weather outfit is a light dual wheeled 2wd tractor with a power harrow towing an old massey 30 disc drill. Simple cheap effective way of getting seed in the ground.

grumpy · Nov 1, 2014

John 1594 said:
Does the job well too. Its in for modifying this winter. Going to cut the old diamond bar spring tines off the front press and replace them with more modern flat bar triple k tines what dont snap as easily

Still think the ultimate wet weather outfit is a light dual wheeled 2wd tractor with a power harrow towing an old massey 30 disc drill. Simple cheap effective way of getting seed in the ground.

lets see the pic

John 1594 · Nov 1, 2014

Does just the same job as a £10, 000 modern combi setup?

snowhite · Nov 1, 2014

John 1594 said:
Does just the same job as a £10, 000 modern combi setup? View attachment 76767

better than some i have seen

Against_the_grain · Nov 1, 2014

We are seriously considering the broadcasting method for sowing ww crops going forward. There is the issue of broadcasting treated seed, but what are the actual regs? If it is covered within 12 hrs etc..is this ok? where can i find info?

We have a kverneland wingjet spreader so seed would be spread accurately, and then large triple k following behind, we would cover 300 acres a day, and could leave it really late, let the grass grow, and if it did turn wet we could still get on.

Can anyone actually tell me why i shouldnt do this??

On the other hand we could spend £50,000 on a drill to do the job instead but not be able to use it in all conditions.

We get decent seedbeds with 2 or 3 passes with our press so why do i need a cultivator drill just to get the seed covered...

Its very radical on over 1000acres but its also so very simple...

I have to say we would probably have a backup ph/drill combo parked up for more difficult situations

B&B Pig Man · Nov 1, 2014

Against_the_grain said:
We are seriously considering the broadcasting method for sowing ww crops going forward. There is the issue of broadcasting treated seed, but what are the actual regs? If it is covered within 12 hrs etc..is this ok? where can i find info?

We have a kverneland wingjet spreader so seed would be spread accurately, and then large triple k following behind, we would cover 300 acres a day, and could leave it really late, let the grass grow, and if it did turn wet we could still get on.

Can anyone actually tell me why i shouldnt do this??

On the other hand we could spend £50,000 on a drill to do the job instead but not be able to use it in all conditions.

We get decent seedbeds with 2 or 3 passes with our press so why do i need a cultivator drill just to get the seed covered...

Its very radical on over 1000acres but its also so very simple...

I have to say we would probably have a backup ph/drill combo parked up for more difficult situations

It'll state on seed dressing label.
Some specially state 'do not broadcast'
Other just state must be covered within...... etc etc.

I think it's very viable way of drilling.

robbie · Nov 1, 2014

Why broadcast and then harrow in with a triple k.why not go retro and use an old carrier cultivator drill the ones with the kkk tines with a seed tube on the back
I've got one I use for game cover,I think they're very under rated. I'm gonna modify mine to put cover crops into stubbles.

Simon Chiles · Nov 1, 2014

Neddy flanders said:
Bit of time now to sort out a plan B if too wet for 750a later this autumn.
Possibly have a front accord hopper. Which cultivator would work best, a 6m Kongskilde KKK with following harriw or a 6m Wilrich with no harrow?

Is a tank necessary or spread on?

Forget the idea. One thing I've learnt over the last couple of years is to walk away from drilling in poor conditions however you establish your crop. Wait until better conditions in the spring and plant it then. You'll spend a lot of money on a crop that you grovel in now and it will still be unlikely to yield well. Far better margin in a properly grown spring crop. One of my neighbours was seriously thinking about abandoning winter crops completely after the last few years because although the yield was less with a spring crop the margin was greater.
If you maul a crop in with the 750 it will always be the drills fault, if you do it with a ph combi it won't yield any better but this time it would be down to the weather.

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