CAP Welsh Clarity

IANTO · Jan 25, 2015

SilliamWhale said:
Sliding scale would be good. I think ignoring the SDA and DA would have potential and look at levels of field enclosure as this would generally point to intensity of management

William, please elaborate.

I suspect that you are saying that enclosed fields, which have been improved, should be differentiated from open Moorland.

The question is, where do you set the bar?

Many traditional farms have "small" fields, which are inefficient, but the regulations do not allow the owners to remove hedges and make them more productive.

Playing Devils Advocate, is there justification for both ends of the spectrum in "field" size to have special treatment?

IANTO

SilliamWhale · Jan 25, 2015

Yes that is what I'm saying. I don't understand the bit about small fields though

Johngee · Jan 25, 2015

Can't see what efficiency has to do with the BPS.
What I'm concerned about is that there is a limited budget (260m euros) in Wales and a substantial part of this could be creamed off by a few dozen claimants on the mountains running one ewe per ha on huge areas of rough grazing, leaving the average family farmer with a pittance.

SilliamWhale · Jan 25, 2015

Johngee said:
Can't see what efficiency has to do with the BPS.
What I'm concerned about is that there is a limited budget (260m euros) in Wales and a substantial part of this could be creamed off by a few dozen claimants on the mountains running one ewe per ha on huge areas of rough grazing, leaving the average family farmer with a pittance.

I don't think that will happen.

neilo · Jan 25, 2015

SilliamWhale said:
I don't think that will happen.

Why not? Even if moorland/hill and SDA get lumped together at 115 euros/ha, there are some very large hill/mountain farms seeing very large payments. The £250k cap will be coming into effect on quite a few.

If the option is a flat rate across all of Wales @176 euros, it would be even more pronounced.

SilliamWhale · Jan 25, 2015

neilo said:
Why not? Even if moorland/hill and SDA get lumped together at 115 euros/ha, there are some very large hill/mountain farms seeing very large payments. The £250k cap will be coming into effect on quite a few.

If the option is a flat rate across all of Wales @176 euros, it would be even more pronounced.

I just don't think it will happen. Even the moorland farmers that did the complaining weren't really looking for equal moorland payments initially - they were wanting some land that was obviously productive to be reclassified for SDA payments, I don't think they were genuinely looking for equal payments on lumps of rock.

Johngee · Jan 25, 2015

SilliamWhale said:
I just don't think it will happen. Even the moorland farmers that did the complaining weren't really looking for equal moorland payments initially - they were wanting some land that was obviously productive to be reclassified for SDA payments, I don't think they were genuinely looking for equal payments on lumps of rock.

But I'm sure they'll take 176 or even 115euros/ha if they're offered it! None of the options on the discussion paper has a moorland category anymore, its all lumped in with the SDA

SilliamWhale · Jan 25, 2015

Johngee said:
But I'm sure they'll take 176 or even 115euros/ha if they're offered it! None of the options on the discussion paper has a moorland category anymore, its all lumped in with the SDA

Yes I think it will be politically unfeasible. I don't think it will be offered.

neilo · Jan 25, 2015

SilliamWhale said:
I just don't think it will happen. Even the moorland farmers that did the complaining weren't really looking for equal moorland payments initially - they were wanting some land that was obviously productive to be reclassified for SDA payments, I don't think they were genuinely looking for equal payments on lumps of rock.

But that's what they've ended up with. There is going to be no moorland rate, that's the only bit WAG have told us. Certainly no time now to assess each land parcel near the 400m line before the scheme needs to be operational.

The guys totally above 400m will generally do very well out of it. Those farming above & below it, will gain & lose, so maybe balance out? Those farming SDA land below 400m will face an even bigger hit than they had before (as detailed in @Only 's post).

GTB · Jan 25, 2015

Some English farmers talking about registering for BPS. Do we have to do this in Wales, and if so, how? :scratchhead:

Dr Evil · Jan 25, 2015

GTB said:
Some English farmers talking about registering for BPS. Do we have to do this in Wales, and if so, how?

The English are taking about their new online system i think. There is no such requirement in Wales this year

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