1st Experience with Electric Car

[kiwi pom]

I think Elon is a symptom of far bigger problems.

As for the hero worship, Apple survived the loss of Steve jobs. A brand goes beyond a persona these days.

The interiors of Teslas are simple to save money. No knobs or dials- just a 21 inch flatscreen. Great for going down the motorway in the dark when you can't operate anything by feel alone. Good job there is an autopilot because the driver on board won't be doing much driving with that in his lap. It should not be legal to have massive flat screens in cars.

Yes they need to save money to keep costs down, that's why they do it. Elon's obsessed with manufacturing costs.
Ev's need to be cheaper, he keeps working to drop the price.

 

[Swarfmonkey]

I don't think they will ever make that work. It will be stopped by the privacy/civil rights brigade and what are the government going to do to stop folk driving around with their GPS signal not working? They can't possibly install cameras with ANPR to track where you go.

It'll save me a fortune from a servicing and reliability point of view, too.

The privacy and civil rights brigade haven't managed to stop the Online Safety Act 2023, what makes you think they could stop vehicle tracking and charging per mile? Oh, and if your GPS is defective it would be classified as "passive tampering". I guess you missed the outcry over DfT's "Modernising Future Transport" plans a couple of years ago?

 

[Lakesdigger]

I think Elon is a symptom of far bigger problems.

As for the hero worship, Apple survived the loss of Steve jobs. A brand goes beyond a persona these days.

The interiors of Teslas are simple to save money. No knobs or dials- just a 21 inch flatscreen. Great for going down the motorway in the dark when you can't operate anything by feel alone. Good job there is an autopilot because the driver on board won't be doing much driving with that in his lap. It should not be legal to have massive flat screens in cars.

To be fair it's making tesla a brand people buy into that he wants just like apple. It no longer becomes about whether or not what they produce is the best but just that people buy into everything they sell.

 

[Lakesdigger]

Yes they need to save money to keep costs down, that's why they do it. Elon's obsessed with manufacturing costs.
Ev's need to be cheaper, he keeps working to drop the price.

He ain't made his fortune by selling stuff cheap though he wants manufacturing costs down to up his profit

 

[kiwi pom]

The privacy and civil rights brigade haven't managed to stop the Online Safety Act 2023, what makes you think they could stop vehicle tracking and charging per mile? Oh, and if your GPS is defective it would be classified as "passive tampering". I guess you missed the outcry over DfT's "Modernising Future Transport" plans a couple of years ago?

Again, they don't need to track you, your vehicle just needs to record its distance travelled, if they go down the road of a distance tax which I think is the fairest way of doing it.

 

[kiwi pom]

He ain't made his fortune by selling stuff cheap though he wants manufacturing costs down to up his profit

Of course he wants to make money but everyone say's EV's are too expensive, he needs to reduce the price. All brands want to reduce costs, he's ahead of them with this at the moment. If his US factories become unionised it might hurt him a bit.
He's changing the car industry others are making the same car as before with a different power plant.

 

[Swarfmonkey]

Again, they don't need to track you, your vehicle just needs to record its distance travelled, if they go down the road of a distance tax which I think is the fairest way of doing it.

The easiest and fairest way doesn't appeal to them, not when they can screw people even more by adopting not just distance tariffs, but time-of-use tariffs as well.

 

[Clive]

I could nearly fill the boot up with fuel in 6 minutes

it’s not a f1 pit stop - and my bladder does seem to be smaller than the range of my ev anyway

 

[kiwi pom]

The easiest and fairest way doesn't appeal to them, not when they can screw people even more by adopting not just distance tariffs, but time-of-use tariffs as well.

Put some on yearly registration but the majority on distance and I think it’s near enough. Make small cars cheap to register and the big SUV’s more expensive

 

[Magnus Oyke]

it’s not a f1 pit stop - and my bladder does seem to be smaller than the range of my ev anyway

Would you buy an ICE powered car with a similar range and refuel time?

 

[Clive]

Would you buy an ICE powered car with a similar range and refuel time?

depends on my use case

for my use case we need something that can do 250-300 miles between charges

if i lived in a town or had a 10 mile or so commute a car that did 100 miles between charges would be fine

EV’s do not suite EVERYONE’s use case but they do suit a LOT of people use case

my suggestion would be only get one if it suits YOUR use case. ……….. if it does they are absolutely brilliant and save a lot of money

 

[Courier]

it’s not a f1 pit stop - and my bladder does seem to be smaller than the range of my ev anyway

Called at the Chester Services on the way back to Doncaster yesterday - they now have 350 kw chargers available - I’m still using an 11 year old Octavia 2.0 tdi (better than 60mpg and 0.9 p per mile) for longer journeys ‘cos the Zoe is limiting but handy for school runs and shopping. Would like to try a Polestar one day …

 

[sjt01]

Called at the Chester Services on the way back to Doncaster yesterday - they now have 350 kw chargers available - I’m still using an 11 year old Octavia 2.0 tdi (better than 60mpg and 0.9 p per mile) for longer journeys ‘cos the Zoe is limiting but handy for school runs and shopping. Would like to try a Polestar one day …

Does the Zoe have DC charging? Unfortunately the high power AC chargers put in early days to suit Zoes and the like are few and far between, and I suspect when all the Electric Highway chargers are replaced with Gridserve ones they may become extinct. They are much more common in France (surprise!)

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

That's not how pay per mile road users work, they don't need to track where you go (although that may be the way they choose in the future) they just need to know how far the car travels.
A similar system has been used for the tax on diesel cars and trucks here for years.

But the proponents agree that, in order to be fair, different rates need to be applied for different roads. It's not acceptable to charge the same per mile to a rural resident, where no alternative to the car exists, as in a city where it does.

Discuss?

 

[john 650]

Called at the Chester Services on the way back to Doncaster yesterday - they now have 350 kw chargers available - I’m still using an 11 year old Octavia 2.0 tdi (better than 60mpg and 0.9 p per mile) for longer journeys ‘cos the Zoe is limiting but handy for school runs and shopping. Would like to try a Polestar one day …

Those are a game changer for me. Regular trips from S Wales to Scotland- and they are at just the sweet spot.

The network has improved hugely in the last 12 months.

 

[kiwi pom]

But the proponents agree that, in order to be fair, different rates need to be applied for different roads. It's not acceptable to charge the same per mile to a rural resident, where no alternative to the car exists, as in a city where it does.

Discuss?

Road users for diesels here are a flat km rate, doesn’t matter where it’s driven. Obviously when you get up the weight range for heavy trucks the rate goes up.
Seems fair to me, how would you charge different rates for different roads?
Can’t think of a fairer way than a mileage rate can you?

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Road users for diesels here are a flat km rate, doesn’t matter where it’s driven. Obviously when you get up the weight range for heavy trucks the rate goes up.
Seems fair to me, how would you charge different rates for different roads?
Can’t think of a fairer way than a mileage rate can you?

Why should a London resident who has access to very cheap public transport 24/7 pay the same per mile to go grocery shopping as us who have no choice but to use the car?

The climate impact is possibly the same per mile but the air quality impact is not, neither is congestion.

You could argue that we chose to live here but then that argument would destroy rural living, wouldn't it?

Telematics are already on all cars <10 years old and show where the car is in realtime. The police can already use it to prove where a car has driven and the manufacturers use the data for whatever they need. It's only a small legal change to allow road charging to be run using it too (here, at least).

 

[HAM135]

I would think a plug in hybrid that has 40-50 miles range on electric should be a good seller, and a lot of folks would get about in there daily lives without the fossil fuel motor kicking in much at all.

theres probably such vehicles already been made, but I haven’t looked to be fair.

Wife got this a couple months ago will do 45ish miles all electric,only need to charge it once during the week for her work,then electric/petrol combined gives 470hp to have a play with when I get a shot.

 

[MF CI]

Why should a London resident who has access to very cheap public transport 24/7 pay the same per mile to go grocery shopping as us who have no choice but to use the car?

The climate impact is possibly the same per mile but the air quality impact is not, neither is congestion.

You could argue that we chose to live here but then that argument would destroy rural living, wouldn't it?

Telematics are already on all cars <10 years old and show where the car is in realtime. The police can already use it to prove where a car has driven and the manufacturers use the data for whatever they need. It's only a small legal change to allow road charging to be run using it too (here, at least).

Not many will have read the small print in the back of the handbook, but that last paragraph tallies up with what I have seen.

 

[Clive]

Called at the Chester Services on the way back to Doncaster yesterday - they now have 350 kw chargers available - I’m still using an 11 year old Octavia 2.0 tdi (better than 60mpg and 0.9 p per mile) for longer journeys ‘cos the Zoe is limiting but handy for school runs and shopping. Would like to try a Polestar one day …

Those are a game changer for me. Regular trips from S Wales to Scotland- and they are at just the sweet spot.

The network has improved hugely in the last 12 months.

not al EV's can take full advantage of a 350kw chargers though - its was a big selling point of the Taycan when launched that it had the wire size needed to take all that 350kw and at the time others like Tesla couldn't

they are amazing to use - 0-80% in 18 mins !


that said I don't think i've eve added more than 20% when away from home, just no need