1st Experience with Electric Car

[willyorkshire]

Very disappointed at road noise and ride quality in Polestar, though better than the only iPace I've been in. TBF my other car is LR defender, new type. Yes, it's almost twice the price but worth it for smooth and silent running. Had Macan briefly but that was poor too. Depends what you like I guess. Polestar incredibly fast though.

 

[Magnus Oyke]

depends on my use case

for my use case we need something that can do 250-300 miles between charges

if i lived in a town or had a 10 mile or so commute a car that did 100 miles between charges would be fine

EV’s do not suite EVERYONE’s use case but they do suit a LOT of people use case

my suggestion would be only get one if it suits YOUR use case. ……….. if it does they are absolutely brilliant and save a lot of money

After 2035 you're not going to have a choice, that's the issue.

On the second highlighted point, IIRC you have a Porsche Taycan which will be circa £100,000. I have no issue with the car or the amount. However, your hundred thousand pound motor is being subsidised by the likes your harvest students and other people who may have scraped their last grand together to buy a car with 9 months left on the MOT. At some point you are going to have to start paying tax on this, and it'sgoing to be invasive, mark my words. 4 years ago you'd have never dreamt a western government would have said when, where and for how long you were allowed out of your house and who you could see when you when out, but it happened.

Do you think your electric car will be allowed to be driven in the next lockdown?

You are going to be charged by the mile, your car will be tracked and I fully expect it that should the fancy take them, it will get shut down for what ever they fancy. "Oh, Mr Bailey, we see you've used your carbon credits on the skiing trip, the car will have to stay at home now." Alarmist? Maybe.

Remember when unleaded came in, we all had to switch to that? Then it was catalitic convertors, then Tier 1,2 3 and we're what t6 or 7 and it's still not good enough. Electric cars won't be immune. you're batrery will have the wrong kind of metal in it from the wrong mine, it will give off the wrong vapours, the electric source with be wrong. Then it will be tyre dust of water courses contaminated with washer fluid. It won't stop with electric cars.

As you're fairly well off and like cars, my advise would be to by the biggest, noisiest V8 you can, drive to your local Mp's office, do a doughnut in the car park and march in to tell him to shove his environmental plocies that remove people's freedom of choice up his arse.

 

[Magnus Oyke]

it’s not a f1 pit stop - and my bladder does seem to be smaller than the range of my ev anyway

I'm not convinced having car range based on a middle aged man's bladder capacity is a good USP

 

[Clive]

After 2035 you're not going to have a choice, that's the issue.

On the second highlighted point, IIRC you have a Porsche Taycan which will be circa £100,000. I have no issue with the car or the amount. However, your hundred thousand pound motor is being subsidised by the likes your harvest students and other people who may have scraped their last grand together to buy a car with 9 months left on the MOT. At some point you are going to have to start paying tax on this, and it'sgoing to be invasive, mark my words. 4 years ago you'd have never dreamt a western government would have said when, where and for how long you were allowed out of your house and who you could see when you when out, but it happened.

Do you think your electric car will be allowed to be driven in the next lockdown?

You are going to be charged by the mile, your car will be tracked and I fully expect it that should the fancy take them, it will get shut down for what ever they fancy. "Oh, Mr Bailey, we see you've used your carbon credits on the skiing trip, the car will have to stay at home now." Alarmist? Maybe.

Remember when unleaded came in, we all had to switch to that? Then it was catalitic convertors, then Tier 1,2 3 and we're what t6 or 7 and it's still not good enough. Electric cars won't be immune. you're batrery will have the wrong kind of metal in it from the wrong mine, it will give off the wrong vapours, the electric source with be wrong. Then it will be tyre dust of water courses contaminated with washer fluid. It won't stop with electric cars.

As you're fairly well off and like cars, my advise would be to by the biggest, noisiest V8 you can, drive to your local Mp's office, do a doughnut in the car park and march in to tell him to shove his environmental plocies that remove people's freedom of choice up his arse.

all sounds a bit to conspiracy theorist to me !

BTW - anyone buying a 100k plus car is probably paying (or has paid) a LOT more tax than a harvest student, I reckon they have probably paid for that "break" many times over and are more likely subsiding lower tax payers lives , use of NHS, education and other welfare than the other way around

 

[Clive]

I'm not convinced having car range based on a middle aged man's bladder capacity is a good USP

My point is you don't need range you can't use - driving more than 250 miles between stops is irresponsible from a safety point of view really and reality is very few people ever do so ............ until asked to drive a EV when suddenly 500 miles none stop trips become essential human right

the average weekly use for a lot of people would mean they don't even need to recharge weekly, but if that doesn't suit you don't get a EV ............. yet

by 2035 (11 years from now) - there will be a LOT more chargers, most electricity will be renewable and range will be MUCH greater ........ you wont wan't a ICE I guarantee it for anything other than fun or nostalgia


11 years is a Loooooooong time in development of technology, my bigger concern for 2035 would be if humanity can survive AI until then, not what we might be driving if we are still here !

 

[kiwi pom]

Why should a London resident who has access to very cheap public transport 24/7 pay the same per mile to go grocery shopping as us who have no choice but to use the car?

The climate impact is possibly the same per mile but the air quality impact is not, neither is congestion.

You could argue that we chose to live here but then that argument would destroy rural living, wouldn't it?

Telematics are already on all cars <10 years old and show where the car is in realtime. The police can already use it to prove where a car has driven and the manufacturers use the data for whatever they need. It's only a small legal change to allow road charging to be run using it too (here, at least).

Look at it the other way, if you reduce the cost on rural roads, you're just subsidising rich people who live in the countryside but commute to work in the city or insist on sending their kids to school's miles away rather than the local one.
You could just about make your argument in a country with a dirt-poor rural population living in areas with no formed roads but the UK in 2023?

 

[Drillman]

My point is you don't need range you can't use - driving more than 250 miles between stops is irresponsible from a safety point of view really and reality is very few people ever do so ............ until asked to drive a EV when suddenly 500 miles none stop trips become essential human right

the average weekly use for a lot of people would mean they don't even need to recharge weekly, but if that doesn't suit you don't get a EV ............. yet

by 2035 (11 years from now) - there will be a LOT more chargers, most electricity will be renewable and range will be MUCH greater ........ you wont wan't a ICE I guarantee it for anything other than fun or nostalgia


11 years is a Loooooooong time in development of technology, my bigger concern for 2035 would be if humanity can survive AI until then, not what we might be driving if we are still here !

Ah but im quite happy to pull over for a quick slash in a lay-by. And ant my/your ange I know the need is real And I don’t like costa while the motor is filling up with electrickery either. So tend to keep moving if I can

 

[ollie989898]

But the proponents agree that, in order to be fair, different rates need to be applied for different roads. It's not acceptable to charge the same per mile to a rural resident, where no alternative to the car exists, as in a city where it does.

Discuss?

My guess is they will give up taxing road fuels and find another way to obtain it. Likely already built into the electricity price- wholesale price is less than 10p a unit, retail is 30p? Granted we have at least 4 nuclear reactors left to build but who it taking the 20p??

 

[kiwi pom]

My guess is they will give up taxing road fuels and find another way to obtain it. Likely already built into the electricity price- wholesale price is less than 10p a unit, retail is 30p? Granted we have at least 4 nuclear reactors left to build but who it taking the 20p??

So people with no car subsidies those that do by paying more for electric?
Again it helps the wealthy, they can stick solar on their large owned properties but tenants and those with unsuitable places have to buy expensive electricity.
Mileage tax just makes sense.

 

[Clive]

My guess is they will give up taxing road fuels and find another way to obtain it. Likely already built into the electricity price- wholesale price is less than 10p a unit, retail is 30p? Granted we have at least 4 nuclear reactors left to build but who it taking the 20p??

all cars will have black boxes for insurance like young drivers have no

tax will be PAYG

insurance will be the driver behind this not ev or ice as risk correlates directly to milage and how you drive

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Look at it the other way, if you reduce the cost on rural roads, you're just subsidising rich people who live in the countryside but commute to work in the city or insist on sending their kids to school's miles away rather than the local one.
You could just about make your argument in a country with a dirt-poor rural population living in areas with no formed roads but the UK in 2023?

Getting the measure of transport poverty: Understanding and responding to the UK’s hidden crisis - Social Market Foundation.

As the single largest cost for millions of households across the UK, understanding the financial burden of transport is critical to decreasing poverty. Yet, unlike for energy or housing, there is no metric in place to track the cost and accessibility of transport. This report seeks to fill that...

www.smf.co.uk

2023 Britain has serious rural poverty.

 

[Tony1989]

My point is you don't need range you can't use - driving more than 250 miles between stops is irresponsible from a safety point of view really and reality is very few people ever do so ............ until asked to drive a EV when suddenly 500 miles none stop trips become essential human right

the average weekly use for a lot of people would mean they don't even need to recharge weekly, but if that doesn't suit you don't get a EV ............. yet

by 2035 (11 years from now) - there will be a LOT more chargers, most electricity will be renewable and range will be MUCH greater ........ you wont wan't a ICE I guarantee it for anything other than fun or nostalgia


11 years is a Loooooooong time in development of technology, my bigger concern for 2035 would be if humanity can survive AI until then, not what we might be driving if we are still here !

Their are plenty of people doing 500+ miles a day, especially in vans!

 

[Clive]

Their are plenty of people doing 500+ miles a day, especially in vans!

not without stopping they are not unless they pee in bottles and don’t eat

and i doubt it’s possible at all in this country …. 500 miles is 10hrs solid driving at ave speed of 50 mph. ……… in uk traffic your lucky to average 30 if you ever leave a motorway !

if they can do it’s certainly not legal if their van has a tachograph or they are taking any notice of WTD. etc

fact is the average uk car covers a Massive ……….. 18 miles a day

Average Car Mileage UK (2023)

How much ground does the average British driver cover each year? We've run the numbers to understand how typical mileage changes for purposes like commuting and business, as well as differences between petrol and diesel cars.

www.nimblefins.co.uk

 

[Tony1989]

Yes keep the bottles handy, I don’t think you realise what other people have got going on, here to Aberdeen and back is nearly 1000 miles, would be done in a day and a bit

 

[Clive]

Yes keep the bottles handy, I don’t think you realise what other people have got going on, here to Aberdeen and back is nearly 1000 miles, would be done in a day and a bit

no hope - at 50 mph average it’s 20 hours none stop driving

simply maths says bullshite

that’s before we consider how hard it is to actually average 50 mph over a distance in the uk with traffic like it is these days or that even an ICE with biggest of range would need to stop at least once or probably twice to cover 1000 miles

 

[Clive]

as i say - the average uk car does 18 miles a day

 

[Tony1989]

It’s 9 hours each way, done it many times in van and lorry, obviously longer in lorry, have to stop once going up, once coming home. Once your past the midlands, your not sat at 30! Theirs not much traffic about at 2am either. I agree, a electric car would suit a lot of people, but their are also a hell of a lot that it wouldn’t suit and until they can match a ICE, then they shouldn’t be pushing them at you, if EV suits you, great get one! I had a electric van on trial, what a load of tosh

 

[kiwi pom]

Getting the measure of transport poverty: Understanding and responding to the UK’s hidden crisis - Social Market Foundation.

As the single largest cost for millions of households across the UK, understanding the financial burden of transport is critical to decreasing poverty. Yet, unlike for energy or housing, there is no metric in place to track the cost and accessibility of transport. This report seeks to fill that...

www.smf.co.uk

2023 Britain has serious rural poverty.

There's poverty everywhere, what's fairer than a mileage charge?
The more you drive the more you pay.
Poor people don't tend to travel far regardless of where they live.

When I was a kid the family car was an Austin Metro, my dad had a Honda 90 to go to and from work and we went to the local school. Hardly used any fuel.
I'd make scooters - electric or otherwise - tax exempt.
I think there was a lot more rural poverty back then.

 

[Drillman]

not without stopping they are not unless they pee in bottles and don’t eat

and i doubt it’s possible at all in this country …. 500 miles is 10hrs solid driving at ave speed of 50 mph. ……… in uk traffic your lucky to average 30 if you ever leave a motorway !

if they can do it’s certainly not legal if their van has a tachograph or they are taking any notice of WTD. etc

fact is the average uk car covers a Massive ……….. 18 miles a day

Average Car Mileage UK (2023)

How much ground does the average British driver cover each year? We've run the numbers to understand how typical mileage changes for purposes like commuting and business, as well as differences between petrol and diesel cars.

www.nimblefins.co.uk

Marlborough wilts and back home for me was 540 miles done in a day. That included a full english and a machine purchase. 3.30am start 5pm finish 5 minute fuel stop

 

[Clive]

Marlborough wilts and back home for me was 540 miles done in a day. That included a full english and a machine purchase. 3.30am start 5pm finish 5 minute fuel stop

the right ev could do that - it would charge while you eat

its not exactly a typical day however is it, apparently a typical day is 18 miles