- Location
- Spilsby Lincolnshire
Surely, what works the best, mix old and new chemistry if we achieve the best results, its all about the best return. Am I wrong!!
or are people wanting to be told SDHIs do not work, as well as they use to?
The TFF Fungicide trial
- Thread starter Clive
- Start date
or are people wanting to be told SDHIs do not work, as well as they use to?
- Location
- Spilsby Lincolnshire
we did use CTL in the program.
- Location
- Shropshire
That wasn't quite what I meant. I know you used it at T0.
They are professing their new sdhis to be the best thing since sliced bread, and yet they appear to want Ctl with everything.
I don't think that is happening at farm scale.
For what ctl costs, it would surely be foolish not to use it? I've seen strobs breakdown used on their own. I'd rather not watch sdhi go the same way.
Jetemp
Member
- Location
- North Yorkshire
As with a few of the others, chlorthalonil a no brainer for me really. Used as part of a resistance management strategy, as many times through the fungicide strategy as possible, especially when its not expensive
Results !
Plot 1 BASF
9.55t/ha
Protein 13.18
Kg/hl 79
Plot 2 Bayer
9.12t/ha
Protein 13.21
Kg/hl 75.2
Plot 3 TWB
9.43t/ha
Protein 13.33
Kg/hl 76.5
all weights weighbridge determined and quality by a Perten live network calibrated machine
so all plots are milling quality - I have a min £20 contract plus lets say a target Jan 17 feed price of £130 = £150/t
Gross outputs therefore
Plot 1 £1432.50 / ha
Plot 2 £ 1368 / ha
Plot 3 £ 1414.50 /ha
T1 and T2 spend
Plot 1 = £78.92
Plot 2 = £71.25
Plot 3 = £69.75
Output over T1 and T2 cost
Plot 1 - £1353.58
Plot 2 - £1296.75
Plot 3 - £1344.75
so BASF have indeed been able to justify their claim of £20 extra margin over Aviator in fact they smashed that result with the actual extra being £ 56.83/ha !
They beat our independent agronomist standard farm practice by a small margin of £8.83/ha
Been a long day and its not over yet with combine roaring away still so someone check my maths please !
Plot 1 BASF
9.55t/ha
Protein 13.18
Kg/hl 79
Plot 2 Bayer
9.12t/ha
Protein 13.21
Kg/hl 75.2
Plot 3 TWB
9.43t/ha
Protein 13.33
Kg/hl 76.5
all weights weighbridge determined and quality by a Perten live network calibrated machine
so all plots are milling quality - I have a min £20 contract plus lets say a target Jan 17 feed price of £130 = £150/t
Gross outputs therefore
Plot 1 £1432.50 / ha
Plot 2 £ 1368 / ha
Plot 3 £ 1414.50 /ha
T1 and T2 spend
Plot 1 = £78.92
Plot 2 = £71.25
Plot 3 = £69.75
Output over T1 and T2 cost
Plot 1 - £1353.58
Plot 2 - £1296.75
Plot 3 - £1344.75
so BASF have indeed been able to justify their claim of £20 extra margin over Aviator in fact they smashed that result with the actual extra being £ 56.83/ha !
They beat our independent agronomist standard farm practice by a small margin of £8.83/ha
Been a long day and its not over yet with combine roaring away still so someone check my maths please !
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- Location
- Spilsby Lincolnshire
Bugger!! I thought I had got it, Well done BASF , for all your backup you only beat me by £3.57/acre in old money.
- Location
- Spilsby Lincolnshire
sounds better in old money!!
close ..........but no cigar !
Looks like a pay cut is on the cards!
cornpicker
Member
A very good result for BASF. All 3 programs performed well on an extremely drought prone site with a relatively clean variety like Skyfall. I visited the site earlier in the year and the field was burning up badly, with no significant rainfall for over 3 weeks. Nice that even though the BASF program was the most expensive it has still returned the best MOIC. The highest yield & also the best bushel weight, crucial for milling wheat specs, and in a year when harvest quality is not the best. Clive has now proved that Xemium is the strongest SDHI, its not just advertising "spin".
Thanks Clive for taking up the challenge on your farm, Good luck with the rest of your harvest. Don't be too hard on Richard.
Thanks Clive for taking up the challenge on your farm, Good luck with the rest of your harvest. Don't be too hard on Richard.
I'm told Bayer have new product for 2017 so maybe round 2 is on the cards !
I've enjoyed doing it, has given the guys here something of interest through the season and harvest, has improved their fungicide education no end (i.e. they all know what an sdhi is now !)
did you ever get the time lapse edited ? would be interesting I reckon
PS never found the last carmera with the combine, someone must have nicked it !
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- Location
- Shropshire
Syngenta do too, so perhaps open it out?
- Location
- Shropshire
Not sure you grow second wheats, but would like to see something similar in a second wheat situation
i'm up for it if they are !! - I really believe these real world comparisons in real commercial farm situations tell us more than any replicated trial despite the obvious lack of science etc in my methods its as accurate as it can be at farm scale and thats how we all operate in the real world
I don't grow 2nd wheats but if a TFF member near me is up for it I'm happy to help organise something in a 2nd wheat situation, weighbridge and either a good tape measure / or good gps is a requirement though !
- Location
- Shropshire