Planning Applications, PD and the like (General Chat)

ffukedfarmer

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Mixed Farmer
Location
West Kent
When going for PD for a new general purpose building do they take into account farm size and current buildings?

I only have a small farm, but make a lot of hay and straw and can see me needing another building within the next few years.
 
When going for PD for a new general purpose building do they take into account farm size and current buildings?

I only have a small farm, but make a lot of hay and straw and can see me needing another building within the next few years.

Yes, in terms of PD size does matter, but so does what you do with it (I've heard that before!). It is not done on a calculation basis, so they don't say you have x amount of land so you can have x sq m of building. It is more down to your need for the space; you will have to justify the need for the extra capacity for the purposes of agriculture. It must be sited on a block of land no less that 1ha and be part of a holding no smaller than 5ha.
 
If you are going down the pre-app route it is always best to lay your cards on the table and let the officers advise you. In terms of what to say, DON'T try to pull the wool over their eyes, they have seen it all and won't be fooled.

If you intend to apply under Permitted Development (PD) for the barn it would need to be primarily for agricultural use and you would have to justify its size in relation to the land it serves; for example, they should not allow PD for a 120x80 on a 3ha holding! For PD the minimum agricultural area must be 0.4ha. If you are unsure if you could get it under PD, ask the question during the pre-app.
If PD isn't an option then full planning will be required and planning fees will depend on if the land is classified as part of the residential curtilage (part of the garden) or as agricultural land; again it is best to ask at the pre-app stage.

It would be best to have a plan of the proposal (nothing fancy) to hand at the pre-app to give to the officer so they have something to refer to when they are writing their report.

Most councils websites have an interactive map where you can put in your address and it will give you details on any restrictions (Green Belt, AONB, TPO's etc) in the vicinity of your property, just double check you aren't covered by anything nasty. It may also be prudent to use their online planning search to have your property and the neighbours planning history to hand.

Above all else, don't treat these guys as dummies, they do this every day of the week (well some of them!) and will see through any ulterior motives.

If you want any more help on this specific case drop me a PM and I'll try point you in the right direction.

George

I must clarify something I wrote in this post. Originally I put the area must be at least 0.4ha. I apologise, I was looking at a Scottish application at the time. The correct figure for England and Wales is the building must be sited on a block no smaller than 1ha and be part of a holding no smaller than 5ha for it to be suitable for PD. I will amend the post above but if people have already read it I apologise.
 

S J H

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Bedfordshire
If I've put in for a full planning application within the last 2 years @GeorgieB82 am I right in thinking that i cannot apply for a 28 day planning? I have to go full again irrelevant to the size of the building?
 
If I've put in for a full planning application within the last 2 years @GeorgieB82 am I right in thinking that i cannot apply for a 28 day planning? I have to go full again irrelevant to the size of the building?
I don't believe that is the case, I have not come across that particular scenario. Unless there is something written into your full planning decision notice I can not see why you could not apply under PD (or full planning for that matter) within the two years. If the original application was PD then it would be a different matter.
 

Ali_Maxxum

Member
Location
Chepstow, Wales
Hi Georgie, am desperately after some advice/point in the right direction about a pole shed I'd like to put up at my house but unsure whether to apply for planning or go ahead and get on with it?

Probably best to PM you as there's quite a bit of detail?

Cheers!
 
Hi Georgie, am desperately after some advice/point in the right direction about a pole shed I'd like to put up at my house but unsure whether to apply for planning or go ahead and get on with it?

Probably best to PM you as there's quite a bit of detail?

Cheers!
Feel free to drop me a message, its always best to investigate the planning required before doing anything.
 

Forever Fendt

Member
Location
Derbyshire
Thought barn had to be 400m from residenial also unless Full planning application was required -maybe just Welsh veiws/policy ?
it only needs to be over 400m from a protected property (private residential) if its for housing livestock and applied under a 28 day notice, if its for storage there is no set distance but needs to be over 25m from a classified road measured from the edge of the road way )
 
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Greenbeast

Member
Location
East Sussex
We have temporary planning for our caravan to get this pig farm going. At what point should we look at applying for extensions, ahead of the 3 year time limit (sept 2018) or only when they come to us?
 
We have temporary planning for our caravan to get this pig farm going. At what point should we look at applying for extensions, ahead of the 3 year time limit (sept 2018) or only when they come to us?
I would suggest putting in an application for an extension or permanent caravan prior at least 6 months prior to the expiry to give yourself plenty of time.
 

WoodyWoodyWoody

New Member
Is planning require to convert a pole barn so we can have a wash room, small kitchen and somewhere to stay the night on our small holding? We would need to move the plumbing and electrics about 40ft from an adjacent building which currently has a sink and boiler but we would prefer to do this instead of a caravan as the barn is not in use and space is limited. We plan on using a composting or chemical toilet. I imagine someone will have to be notified but I've heard that we can just do it because we need the facilities. Is there anywhere that I can source some guidance notes at all?
From Wiltshire btw
 
Is planning require to convert a pole barn so we can have a wash room, small kitchen and somewhere to stay the night on our small holding? We would need to move the plumbing and electrics about 40ft from an adjacent building which currently has a sink and boiler but we would prefer to do this instead of a caravan as the barn is not in use and space is limited. We plan on using a composting or chemical toilet. I imagine someone will have to be notified but I've heard that we can just do it because we need the facilities. Is there anywhere that I can source some guidance notes at all?
From Wiltshire btw
Hi Woody,
Yes you would need to have some form of planng if you are intending on the barn being residential accomodation. Depending on the history of the barn and the status of the holding, it may be possible to gain permission under Permitted Development but other than that you would require full planning. How long are you looking at this arrangement lasting?
 

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