Heptavac. Anyone not bother??

Just considering dropping the P in the adult sheep and switching to Bravoxin 10 for the pre lambing boost.

Does anyone know how much risk pasteurella is in adult sheep, and will missing the "P" increase the risk to lambs? (We vaccinate all keeping lambs with P in the autumn anyway)
 

exmoor dave

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exmoor, uk
What prompted us to start heptivacing about 10yrs ago, was starting to record all deaths, we always knew we had a "bit" of a problem with pulpy kidney at 3-4 weeks, but didn't realise the scale of it til we recorded the deaths.

Still get the very odd pulpy death but we're talking a absolute fraction of what we used to have.

Did also do orf vaccine for a few years but don't think we got enough benefit from it to continue.


Toxovax a absolute must here!
 

Newby

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East Yorkshire
I know of a couple of early lambing flocks that the lambs never leave the shed, they are fed intensively for the early market, my question being would it be a waste of time covering these flocks due to the way their kept?
 

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
Just considering dropping the P in the adult sheep and switching to Bravoxin 10 for the pre lambing boost.

Does anyone know how much risk pasteurella is in adult sheep, and will missing the "P" increase the risk to lambs? (We vaccinate all keeping lambs with P in the autumn anyway)

I went to a sheep group meeting last night, where we had a discussion with a prominent sheep vet that has her own flock too. That's exactly what she did. Heptavac P+ for the ewe lambs and yearlings, then everything on to Bravoxin 10 after that. Her reasoning was that older sheep rarely get pasteurella and there's a clostridial disease covered by Bravoxin (but not Heptavac), that is becoming a lot more common. I can't remember the name of that clostridial, but it causes rotten smelly lambs then dead ewes.
She was still doing her lambs with Ovivac P+ IIRC though.

I've not been brave enough to stop yet, but seriously considering it. If only because I think MSD have been taking the pee with price hikes in recent years.:mad:
 
I went to a sheep group meeting last night, where we had a discussion with a prominent sheep vet that has her own flock too. That's exactly what she did. Heptavac P+ for the ewe lambs and yearlings, then everything on to Bravoxin 10 after that. Her reasoning was that older sheep rarely get pasteurella and there's a clostridial disease covered by Bravoxin (but not Heptavac), that is becoming a lot more common. I can't remember the name of that clostridial, but it causes rotten smelly lambs then dead ewes.
She was still doing her lambs with Ovivac P+ IIRC though.

I've not been brave enough to stop yet, but seriously considering it. If only because I think MSD have been taking the pee with price hikes in recent years.:mad:

Our yearlings will have had a full course as lambs and another booster at 18 months, so I guess they could go to Bravoxin for the pre-lambing jab?
 

GTB

Never Forgotten
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We stopped using Hep P and Ovi P last year. The cost was getting ridiculous. Now do everything with Bravoxin 10. Started doing lambs twice last year i.e. May and June/July and lost a lot less lambs than in previous years. Only used to do them once.
 
Came off the Heptavac systems donkeys years ago , don't really remember exactly, could be 10-15 years now , and as things currently stand , I'm perfectly comfortable with the decision. It doesn't even cross my mind any more.

Except for one year some time back. There was one lambing when I wasn't happy with lamb numbers lost after lambing. Spoke to my vets , and after consideration went back to heptavac P. Guess what? The next lambing I lost slightly more lambs. Came off it again after that and lamb mortalities fell.

If you're going to make the choice to come off the programme, you have to be confident to live with your decision. If you don't do it , then you never know....

Roll the dice.

Or not.
 

Guiggs

Member
Location
Leicestershire
Came off the Heptavac systems donkeys years ago , don't really remember exactly, could be 10-15 years now , and as things currently stand , I'm perfectly comfortable with the decision. It doesn't even cross my mind any more.

Except for one year some time back. There was one lambing when I wasn't happy with lamb numbers lost after lambing. Spoke to my vets , and after consideration went back to heptavac P. Guess what? The next lambing I lost slightly more lambs. Came off it again after that and lamb mortalities fell.

If you're going to make the choice to come off the programme, you have to be confident to live with your decision. If you don't do it , then you never know....

Roll the dice.

Or not.

Do you use anything instead of the heptovac or nothing at all?
 

Bones

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Location
n Ireland
Heptavac p all the ewes ,lambs are on a double dose of bravoxin , lambs used to get single dose , but to many deaths ,next year might do lambs with hepavac p ,still getting some deaths. So will see if the heptavac p makes a difference.:mad:
 

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