General Election

Hilly · Apr 20, 2017

jendan said:
It was ever thus! Thats the whole point for the media/newspapers.Politicians have got to be sharper than their interviewers,or they dont stay politicians for long.May is not very good at this,thats why she wont take part in live TV debates.She cant think on her feet,and has to have everything written down and meticulously prepared before hand.

How do you know ?

jendan · Apr 20, 2017

Jackson4 said:
hmm.. whenever i see her on pmq's its corbyn mubling his lines or robertson stumbling and rereading his lines or dim farron rembering his silly they'll do this soundbites, i'm sorry it sounds like your prejudice talking cause she hardly reads a note. As for the TV debates.. does she need to sling mud with the rest of them?

Pmq s are carefully prepared,they know before hand what they are going to be asked.If she gets thrown a brick,or other "events" happen live on air,she cant deal with it.Robertson spoke the best of them at the debate yesterday.

jendan · Apr 20, 2017

Jackson4 said:
The thing is this the argument in the final say will be hinged on .. would you trust a coalition of labour/libs in coalition with the trouble making SNP to set the countries future for decades to come? or a maggie 2 patriotic brit who will stand up for fairness over any threats or arrogance against our country?

This is essentially why the snap election has been called, forget marginal seats, forget the misfortunes of labour, remain voting lib.. the labour in bed with the snp last time round swung it to the tories. When it comes down to it she knows that SNP and EU commission trouble making has played into her hands and will bring the choice back to her. The GE will all be about patriotism in the last week as that will rouse the electorate and the emotions are stronger than reason, though i think reason is on her side anyway.
The 1st of June all you will hear is 'do you want nicola sturgeon as your puppet master??

I didnt think i'd think muchof her for her bureaucratic tone/nice vicars daughter way but this kind of stand up to older brothers/ sing the loudest in the play type theatrics with plenty of bite is better than the usual insipid faring.

Dont think much will change cept scots nats lose a few seats, labour lose a few, lib dems wont gain anything because they are as as much worth as ukip.. brexit is irreversable so you can go get other jobs.. remainers who arent traditional labour will vote labour for soft brexit and traditional labour for brexit may vote tory to get rid of corbyn, or not vote, though a risk of giving tories a massive majority. If they could get corbyn out and any new face in the tories would worry. Unlikely.
Favourite post of the week.. Theresa May always looks like she just been dug up.

Ha- ha.She could do with some colour in her cheeks,instead of on her shoes.

DeeGee · Apr 20, 2017

Jackson4 said:
The thing is this the argument in the final say will be hinged on .. would you trust a coalition of labour/libs in coalition with the trouble making SNP to set the countries future for decades to come? or a maggie 2 patriotic brit who will stand up for fairness over any threats or arrogance against our country?

This is essentially why the snap election has been called, forget marginal seats, forget the misfortunes of labour, remain voting lib.. the labour in bed with the snp last time round swung it to the tories. When it comes down to it she knows that SNP and EU commission trouble making has played into her hands and will bring the choice back to her. The GE will all be about patriotism in the last week as that will rouse the electorate and the emotions are stronger than reason, though i think reason is on her side anyway.
The 1st of June all you will hear is 'do you want nicola sturgeon as your puppet master??

I didnt think i'd think muchof her for her bureaucratic tone/nice vicars daughter way but this kind of stand up to older brothers/ sing the loudest in the play type theatrics with plenty of bite is better than the usual insipid faring.

Dont think much will change cept scots nats lose a few seats, labour lose a few, lib dems wont gain anything because they are as as much worth as ukip.. brexit is irreversable so you can go get other jobs.. remainers who arent traditional labour will vote labour for soft brexit and traditional labour for brexit may vote tory to get rid of corbyn, or not vote, though a risk of giving tories a massive majority. If they could get corbyn out and any new face in the tories would worry. Unlikely.
Favourite post of the week.. Theresa May always looks like she just been dug up.

Couldn't abide Thatcher, but I do agree that I would prefer TM to a rag bag collection of squabbling left wing Labour, ineffectual Lib Dems and the SNP with Nicola Sturgeon constantly aspiring to be the ring master of such a chaotic circus.

Hilly · Apr 20, 2017

jendan said:
Pmq s are carefully prepared,they know before hand what they are going to be asked.If she gets thrown a brick,or other "events" happen live on air,she cant deal with it.Robertson spoke the best of them at the debate yesterday.

Perhaps if true its no bad thing, carefully thought out answers to questions better than someone who just has the gift of the gab.

Jackson4 · Apr 20, 2017

So Corbyn has comes out and said if there is a hung parliament he 'wont' be part of a coalition with the SNP, which he has to say, thing is will the unionist remainers and traditional labour voter trust him to stick to his word if power is right in front of his eyes? You can bet the tories will go for power if given the chance.

jendan · Apr 20, 2017

Hilly said:
Perhaps if true its no bad thing, carefully thought out answers to questions better than someone who just has the gift of the gab.

Some truth in that,but they dont always get the time to think and answer how they would like to.She will have to be sharp on her door to door walkabouts,or could get a "Brown biggotted woman" moment.

Muck Spreader · Apr 20, 2017

Old Boar said:
In April, May called an election for June. She missed a trick not calling for one in May - think of all the free publicity - name on Calendars, diaries, pooter screens, everywhere!

But don't forget MAYDAY is an international distress signal.

bovrill · Apr 20, 2017

Jackson4 said:
So Corbyn has comes out and said if there is a hung parliament he 'wont' be part of a coalition with the SNP, which he has to say, thing is will the unionist remainers and traditional labour voter trust him to stick to his word if power is right in front of his eyes? You can bet the tories will say he will irrelevant.

It doesn't have to be as formal as a full coalition government. All it needs is for SNP members to state their confidence in Corbyn, which Sturgeon has pretty much said they will, and if the numbers then add up for him, he can be called to the Queen to form a government.

holywell farmer · Apr 20, 2017

Jackson4 said:
So Corbyn has comes out and said if there is a hung parliament he 'wont' be part of a coalition with the SNP, which he has to say, thing is will the unionist remainers and traditional labour voter trust him to stick to his word if power is right in front of his eyes? You can bet the tories will go for power if given the chance.

Labour be lucky to make 5 gains in seats Corbyn leading them to deafeat

Jackson4 · Apr 20, 2017

bovrill said:
It doesn't have to be as formal as a full coalition government. All it needs is for SNP members to state their confidence in Corbyn, which Sturgeon has pretty much said they will, and if the numbers then add up for him, he can be called to the Queen to form a government.

You could form a minority government if you wanted but you wonder how they really could govern with Labours metro views seen slightly irrelevant in Scotland, SNP all about splitting up the uk, Labour against it, SNP for staying in the EU Corbyn says leaving is a good thing etc etc.

What views would their voter base agree on? More debt? Hate of the tories?
They do have something in common, both want to be dictators one a nationalist, one a trotskyist.

Jackson4 · Apr 20, 2017

If two coalitions can be formed say tories+ukip and labour+snp what are the deciding factors on which one coalition becomes government? never looked at it? Is it purely those with the most MP's governs?

bovrill · Apr 20, 2017

Jackson4 said:
If two coalitions can be formed say tories+ukip and labour+snp what are the deciding factors on which one coalition becomes government? never looked at it? Is it purely those with the most MP's governs?

In theory it's the one with "the confidence" of more than half the MPs, so 325, or whatever it is with the speaker and one or two others accounted for.
But it could be a minority government, either with informal backing of enough others to take it over half the MPs, or with less than half, and they just give it a go, like Labour in 1974.
In theory the Queen has a certain amount of discretion as to who is asked to form the government, but I don't think that's ever really been tested.

spin cycle · Apr 20, 2017

skinnyhoskins said:
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so who are going to take seats of the tories? labour not a chance ,the christian values of tim farron ?,snp can only gain3 or lose plenty,not ukip , so i really would not be suprised to see a 100 seat majority

it could be a more partisan/regional approach than national polling.....for instance the seat i live in is a safe lib dem seat yet 60% voted out....it will be safe though because he's a good mp and you only need 40% to win first past the post

the sw is vulnerable to lib dems and so are 'remain' areas of london....there's an assumption that labour might loose marginals to tories which is dangerous and indeed the tories themselves have several marginals to defend

mays majority is only 17 now so labour could standstill and the lib dems could prosper leaving her in the soup

corbyn's anti establishment tack could resonate enough to prevent labours predicted doom

may has called this election in part so she can do without hard line tory brexit mps....if ukip can tap into that message that might help them

cps has yet to decide on whether to prosecute dozen or so tory mps that are standing....it could be chaos

edit...i forgot to mention the greens tinkering with their plans to help labour....plymouth being an example

jendan · Apr 20, 2017

spin cycle said:
it could be a more partisan/regional approach than national polling.....for instance the seat i live in is a safe lib dem seat yet 60% voted out....it will be safe though because he's a good mp and you only need 40% to win first past the post

the sw is vulnerable to lib dems and so are 'remain' areas of london....there's an assumption that labour might loose marginals to tories which is dangerous and indeed the tories themselves have several marginals to defend

mays majority is only 17 now so labour could standstill and the lib dems could prosper leaving her in the soup

corbyn's anti establishment tack could resonate enough to prevent labours predicted doom

may has called this election in part so she can do without hard line tory brexit mps....if ukip can tap into that message that might help them

cps has yet to decide on whether to prosecute dozen or so tory mps that are standing....it could be chaos

edit...i forgot to mention the greens tinkering with their plans to help labour....plymouth being an example

If enough ukippers vote tory,he could get beat,going on the 2015 results.Interesting times and sobering thought that Corbyn just needs to hold his own,maybe pick up half dozen marginals,and with the SNP and a few Lib Dems,hes in! Will not matter if the opinion polls show May 15% to 20% ahead.

Old McDonald · Apr 20, 2017

Dave6170 said:
You would be very welcome here but the snp are making a pretty good job of ruining this place as well! With their centralisation agenda

We know we would be welcome in your area, but thanks for the confirmation.

The SNP is indeed a worry for us. It will be our last move, and I might even retire from farming. At this stage I think I would die very quickly if I did retire.

holywell farmer · Apr 20, 2017

jendan said:
If enough ukippers vote tory,he could get beat,going on the 2015 results.Interesting times and sobering thought that Corbyn just needs to hold his own,maybe pick up half dozen marginals,and with the SNP and a few Lib Dems,hes in! Will not matter if the opinion polls show May 15% to 20% ahead.

It's be landslide victory for the tories haven't had landslide since 2001 which the media dubbed the quite election

jendan · Apr 20, 2017

holywell farmer said:
It's be landslide victory for the tories haven't had landslide since 2001 which the media dubbed the quite election

According to "Election Calculus" if the polls are correct,she would gain 60 to 70 seats.Most of these straight marginals between Labour and Tory in the midlands.But this does not account for any Lib Dem dead cat bounce in the South West.

Billhook · Apr 20, 2017

Dawn Butler being interviewed today by Eddie Mair on Radio 4 was not so much a car crash more like a multiple pile up!
It was so cringeable that I turned the radio in the tractor off a few times, but then turned it on to see if it was worse and it was.
Even the wretched Huffington Post was a critic.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...on-rigging-system_uk_58f8e32ce4b06b9cb9148e25

Even worse than Diane Abbot and that is saying something.

We desperately need a balanced Parliament. A strong opposition led by David Miliband would be sensible with some of the old Labour faces.

Corbyn seems to just incite the politics of envy. Take from the rich and give to the poor may seem to be fair at first glance but what happens when the rich become fed up with it.
Oh yes, I remember now, the Labour government are voted out and leave a note in the Treasury saying "Good Luck, there is no money left in the bank"

hindmaist · Apr 21, 2017

skinnyhoskins said:
if and there is a possibilty that the snp loses a few seats say7 will that be an endorsment of brexit and the krankies failure

I don't think Mrs May will prove to be very popular in Scotland.I doubt if her party will get into double figures of Scottish seats.

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