Rental Land Value - Devon

Steve M

New Member
Hi folks,

Needing some advice. I have been in negotiations to take on my first tenancy. I have been farming this land for 9 months on a pay per ewe basis but the current tenant has given it up.

After asking for plans and acreages to be given, the agent has come back saying it is 38.44 acres. This is fine for me being a new entrant.

The previous tenant paid £3,600 per year, but he was never told or never asked what the exact acreage was. If he knew he was paying £93.65 per acre he may not have stayed as long as he did.

Now, to give more information. Nearly all farms around are in dairy or maize and the landlady doesn't like arable or cows so this is why I have a chance with my sheep.

The land is South facing but the grass is nothing more than meadow grass. Fields of sweet vernal, stingers and all too little clover.

The fencing is, on the other hand, immaculate. I have never seen a farm fenced so well.

So, how much per acre is this worth? My budgets can go to £88 per acre but I honestly don't think it's worth more than £85. I would guesstimate land around here is worth £80 per acre. She is reluctant to come down from £3,600 and I don't want to lose out and have to find other land/sell my flock.

The land is in East Devon.

Tough decisions ahead. Advice on valuations welcome!
 

Formatted

Member
Livestock Farmer
Who gets BPS? Length of tenancy? Is it watered, who pays for it if so? Access? Pain in the arse factor with landlord being picky?

Sounds like a done deal, get it signed
 

Steve M

New Member
No BPS attached to it.

It's a 7 year FBT with annual break clauses. Good road access and all fields have troughs fed by mains or stream water. Not sure who pays water though...

Question;

Am thinking of accepting the £3,600. Would that mean the rent is fixed at that amount for the 7 years or could rent increases still occur?

If she can still increase rent then I may ask for a clause to fix rent for 3 years.

What do people think? And thanks for the replies so far. Very helpful!
 
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Formatted

Member
Livestock Farmer
It's a 7 year FBT with annual break clauses. Good road access and all fields have troughs fed by mains or stream water. Not sure who pays water though...

I'm not really sure how you have an FBT and not get the BPS. Since a tenancy is exclusive access and right over the land, a which is a requirement for claiming payment.

Am thinking of accepting the £3,600. Would that mean the rent is fixed at that amount for the 7 years or could rent increases still occur?

What does it say in the paper work?
 

hindmaist

Member
A 7 year FBT with an annual break clause? Does this mean you have to vacate the land for a few weeks each year,or does it mean the rent and conditions will be reviewed each year?
 

D14

Member
Hi folks,

Needing some advice. I have been in negotiations to take on my first tenancy. I have been farming this land for 9 months on a pay per ewe basis but the current tenant has given it up.

After asking for plans and acreages to be given, the agent has come back saying it is 38.44 acres. This is fine for me being a new entrant.

The previous tenant paid £3,600 per year, but he was never told or never asked what the exact acreage was. If he knew he was paying £93.65 per acre he may not have stayed as long as he did.

Now, to give more information. Nearly all farms around are in dairy or maize and the landlady doesn't like arable or cows so this is why I have a chance with my sheep.

The land is South facing but the grass is nothing more than meadow grass. Fields of sweet vernal, stingers and all too little clover.

The fencing is, on the other hand, immaculate. I have never seen a farm fenced so well.

So, how much per acre is this worth? My budgets can go to £88 per acre but I honestly don't think it's worth more than £85. I would guesstimate land around here is worth £80 per acre. She is reluctant to come down from £3,600 and I don't want to lose out and have to find other land/sell my flock.

The land is in East Devon.

Tough decisions ahead. Advice on valuations welcome!

That is good value. I know a few friends who let grassland annually for £150/acre and the owner claims the BPS on top not the person farming the land.

The landlady in this case is not going to take a reduction just because its you, so you'll have to pay the £3600 if you want it. If not somebody else will.
 

cattleman123

Member
Location
devon
No BPS attached to it.

It's a 7 year FBT with annual break clauses. Good road access and all fields have troughs fed by mains or stream water. Not sure who pays water though...

Question;

Am thinking of accepting the £3,600. Would that mean the rent is fixed at that amount for the 7 years or could rent increases still occur?

If she can still increase rent then I may ask for a clause to fix rent for 3 years.

What do people think? And thanks for the replies so far. Very helpful!
Annual break clauses....so really you only have it for 2 years
 

Grouse

Member
It doesn't, unless the annual break is just a week off unoccupied once every 12 months and the agreement is for the full term of 7 years. Thus you have a 7 year agreement that doesn't create a tenancy
 
Hi folks,......

So, how much per acre is this worth? My budgets can go to £88 per acre but I honestly don't think it's worth more than £85. I would guesstimate land around here is worth £80 per acre. She is reluctant to come down from £3,600 and I don't want to lose out and have to find other land/sell my flock.

!

It's great that you know what your next few years profits ( within £20 per acre) are going to be so that you can say that £85 is the rent you can justify paying but there will always be someone out there who is prepared to offer considerably more so that he/she can "spread their existing overheads ".

If paying what the landlady is offering doesn't work for you then walk away but you may be a long time getting another chance.
 
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Steve M

New Member
Thanks for all the replies. Was great to hear all the opinions.

To close off, I accepted the £3,600 offer and should sign later this week.

Given the lands proximity to both the farm I work at and home, not to mention the difficulty in getting land in the area made it worth that price to me.

Although nervous, am looking forward to the challenge ahead! Here goes.
 

glasshouse

Member
Location
lothians
Thanks for all the replies. Was great to hear all the opinions.

To close off, I accepted the £3,600 offer and should sign later this week.

Given the lands proximity to both the farm I work at and home, not to mention the difficulty in getting land in the area made it worth that price to me.

Although nervous, am looking forward to the challenge ahead! Here goes.
who claims bps?
 

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