Claydon drill

juke · Aug 6, 2017

silverfox said:
I still think some on here that are quick to diss the plough must be moving quite a bit of soil with what appears to be a big spring tine cultivator with a box on top, if they need over 200hp on 3m.

Only reason we require that power is beacuse it's a new block of land on a long term agreement, land needs putting right from years of abuse through ploughing and power harrowing... It takes time to put land right ...
Our land that's been in direct drilling since 2013 140 hp would be plenty, why struggle when you can be king of the job...

Brisel · Aug 7, 2017

cornishking said:
I have just finished the winter barley, the crop averaged around 7 ton per ha (2.9 t/ac) there was a mix of first and continuous barley crops sown. One annoying thing i noticed with the wider rows is when the barley falls over and goes flat i cant seem to pick it up as well as narrow drilled crops. The crop seems to fall between the rows and a proportion sits on the bare ground between the rows. The crop would have done 3+ ton / ac i could have collected it all.....

I'm having this problem with spring barley. The incessant rain has brackled it over & I'm getting high header losses because I can't pick all them heads up with the lifters. If this becomes a regular thing them it does not spell good news for the drill as the potential lost crop & volunteer problem in the following crop negates any benefit. My first thing to try is to see why it brackles in the first place! Next year will see a lot of tissue testing & potassium applications. Talking to a mate who is an agronomist, tissue tests in spring barley on chalk like mine has consistently shown low boron levels as well as the usual copper, magnesium and manganese deficiencies.

martian · Aug 7, 2017

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Brisel said:
I'm having this problem with spring barley. The incessant rain has brackled it over & I'm getting high header losses because I can't pick all them heads up with the lifters. If this becomes a regular thing them it does not spell good news for the drill as the potential lost crop & volunteer problem in the following crop negates any benefit. My first thing to try is to see why it brackles in the first place! Next year will see a lot of tissue testing & potassium applications. Talking to a mate who is an agronomist, tissue tests in spring barley on chalk like mine has consistently shown low boron levels as well as the usual copper, magnesium and manganese deficiencies.

If it's any consolation, we're having the same issues with the 750a drilled spring barley. It was a dry spring admittedly, but the stuff we've just cut on the chalk won't have done much above 2t/a all in. There was not enough biomass to hold the crop up properly, a multi-mineral boost might well have helped. I'll be interested to hear what your tests show up next year...

Flat 10 · Aug 7, 2017

martian said:
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If it's any consolation, we're having the same issues with the 750a drilled spring barley. It was a dry spring admittedly, but the stuff we've just cut on the chalk won't have done much above 2t/a all in. There was not enough biomass to hold the crop up properly, a multi-mineral boost might well have helped. I'll be interested to hear what your tests show up next year...

Mine had a multi mineral boost and looks shite. Don't think it will do 2t ac.

juke · Aug 7, 2017

This is our spring barley , anyone like to play guess the drill ? ...

beefandsleep · Aug 7, 2017

juke said:
This is our spring barley , anyone like to play guess the drill ? ...

As you run a claydon I will guess that.

cornishking · Aug 7, 2017

Brisel said:
I'm having this problem with spring barley. The incessant rain has brackled it over & I'm getting high header losses because I can't pick all them heads up with the lifters. If this becomes a regular thing them it does not spell good news for the drill as the potential lost crop & volunteer problem in the following crop negates any benefit. My first thing to try is to see why it brackles in the first place! Next year will see a lot of tissue testing & potassium applications. Talking to a mate who is an agronomist, tissue tests in spring barley on chalk like mine has consistently shown low boron levels as well as the usual copper, magnesium and manganese deficiencies.[/QUOTE

I drilled some spring barley for a neighbor using my old vicon air drill. It was onto powerharrowed ground and has been looking well. I'm very interested to see how it goes through the combine compared with the wide spaced Claydon.

juke · Aug 7, 2017

That half of the field was put in with a 750, looks better than the claydon half , will know for sure in a few weeks time once the combines been through.

juke · Aug 8, 2017

@Brisel @cornishking would the twin tine kit help your problem with wider rows ? be more conventionally spaced would it not ?

cornishking · Aug 9, 2017

juke said:
@Brisel @cornishking would the twin tine kit help your problem with wider rows ? be more conventionally spaced would it not ?

Yes perhaps that is good idea

Brisel · Aug 9, 2017

What is the spacing on the twin tines? I didn't think it was any wider than the 7" A share & twin boot.

Will7 · Aug 9, 2017

Brisel said:
I'm having this problem with spring barley. The incessant rain has brackled it over & I'm getting high header losses because I can't pick all them heads up with the lifters. If this becomes a regular thing them it does not spell good news for the drill as the potential lost crop & volunteer problem in the following crop negates any benefit. My first thing to try is to see why it brackles in the first place! Next year will see a lot of tissue testing & potassium applications. Talking to a mate who is an agronomist, tissue tests in spring barley on chalk like mine has consistently shown low boron levels as well as the usual copper, magnesium and manganese deficiencies.

I have this problem with the seedhawk, worse this year due to a lack of biomass to hold the ears of the floor. I fear it is a spring barley problem that won't be improved with snake oils or micro nutrients. Very disheartening

cornishking · Aug 9, 2017

Will7 said:
I have this problem with the seedhawk, worse this year due to a lack of biomass to hold the ears of the floor. I fear it is a spring barley problem that won't be improved with snake oils or micro nutrients. Very disheartening

Is the Seed Hawk using wide spacings as well?

Andrew K · Aug 9, 2017

Claydon TT kit row spacing is approx 6 inches.

Dockers · Aug 9, 2017

Brisel, my neighbours barley, sown with a Rapid is just as brackled as ours sown with seedhawk. Loads of brackerling from every drill this year !

SorenIlsoe · Aug 9, 2017

juke said:
@Brisel @cornishking would the twin tine kit help your problem with wider rows ? be more conventionally spaced would it not ?

What problem with row space? Look at Clive Baileys large plot drill trial in 2015 published here on TFF (or was it 2014?) - there was no difference between the drills (except fertilizer spreader and carrier was best......).

Rob Holmes · Aug 9, 2017

We found the best thing to cure the barley brackling/head losses problem is to fit new A shares when drilling barley as this gives a wider band, and therefore narrower gaps. We tried it this year and works well

Rob Holmes · Aug 9, 2017

Maybe try the 9 or 12 inch shares?

Will7 · Aug 9, 2017

cornishking said:
Is the Seed Hawk using wide spacings as well?

250 mm or 10"

juke · Aug 10, 2017

SorenIlsoe said:
What problem with row space? Look at Clive Baileys large plot drill trial in 2015 published here on TFF (or was it 2014?) - there was no difference between the drills (except fertilizer spreader and carrier was best......).

The idea would be to close the gap in rows, in an effort to keep the barley standing.

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