- Location
- Montgomeryshire
The Swiss god awful Black Noses have been exported to NZ already, haven't they?
I think the Kiwis aren't as smart, as we thought
I expect there are plenty of 'good lifers' in NZ too.
Nz beltex
- Thread starter hendrebc
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I expect there are plenty of 'good lifers' in NZ too.
- Location
- Owaka, New Zealand
Not bad if you could screw casters on, I'd imagineWonder what a Suffolk x Dorper lamb would be like??
- Location
- Owaka, New Zealand
A friend of mine told me thats how charollais and ile de france came to be in nz. People were blaming the sheep they had for their problems and not their own managment so someone saw an opportunity to market a new breed over there. He is doing very well apparently. This is secondhand info to me so i tske it and give it here with a large pinch of saltI suspect someone is importing that UK breed into NZ to try and make a killing from 'something different' & exotic. I also suspect they won't be taking over the kiwi sheep industry.
I'd compare it with the UK imports of those Swiss black nose things. A small number will make a killing out of the small number of folk that fancy trying something different, however uneconomic and impractical they might be.
- Location
- Owaka, New Zealand
Too right, I see it all the time when talking to the farmers around here, always something else's fault for poor performance- always their own good management on a good year thoughA friend of mine told me thats how charollais and ile de france came to be in nz. People were blaming the sheep they had for their problems and not their own managment so someone saw an opportunity to market a new breed over there. He is doing very well apparently. This is secondhand info to me so i tske it and give it here with a large pinch of salt
Hard to put a figure on how much will have been spent in chasing this elusive 'golden sheep' over the years
but if it was all put into management and feeding there would be some happy farmers around....Pleased we have charollais here though, my wee ewes have a fair part char in them, as you can probably tell by the pic.
They have a 2th Dorper over them this year for lambing ease (plus he was free) so it will be interesting to see what drops in October
- Location
- Owaka, New Zealand
Not too far off the markI expect there are plenty of 'good lifers' in NZ too.
I think many would be surprised just how similar things are over here to what you guys have, it simply isn't all 10,000ac runs and turning a blind eye to anything 'on 3 wheels' as I'm led to believe from TFF...
I have a feeling your sheep would do exceptionally well wherever they go, they have that successful look about them
From what i read on the fg last week its all about them pushing for a higher ko % they imported texels years ago rasing cracass ko from 40 to 48% but they now want to rasie it more this is why they are now looking at the beltex breed!!
Like how everyone slates the breed!! Same as every breed there are some breeders going to extemes etc spoiling the breed!! I cant fault them as a breed and keep them pure, they eat a lot less to start with!! I could keep 2 beltex ewes to what some people keep 1 big suffolks and texels!
Like how everyone slates the breed!! Same as every breed there are some breeders going to extemes etc spoiling the breed!! I cant fault them as a breed and keep them pure, they eat a lot less to start with!! I could keep 2 beltex ewes to what some people keep 1 big suffolks and texels!
BELOWAVERAGE
Member
Are you sure they've improved the Texel? as if its not now a texel but a Lleyn, then its not the carcase breed that originally went there, stock from NZ are currently the fashion, it'll pass. I know some one who uses a bit of NZ Jersey semen on his milkers, but he says each generation give a drop less milk than the last
I wouldnt say my nz texels look like lleyns. They look like texels just not the texels were used to seeing over here. Narrower shoulders, smaller heads, woollier but still very much texels.
- Location
- Devon
Not sure everyone is slating the breed. No one would deny the carcass traits they bring. The point being ridiculed was 'they wean heavier lambs than the other UK breeds.'
Not sure most beltex breeders would even try and claim this.
They have a 2th Dorper over them this year for lambing ease (plus he was free) so it will be interesting to see what drops in October
Performance?
JOKE! JOKE!
- Location
- Owaka, New Zealand
beardface
Member
- Location
- East Yorkshire
Be interesting what effect it will have on early lamb produces in a few years time when there's lots of lean charollais type or shapely double muscled beltex type lambs flooding the Easter market from NZ.
- Location
- Owaka, New Zealand
I think you would need a microscope to notice tbph.
I don't think the average kiwi David gives a rats about cornering your market- far more goes elsewhere as a much lighter lamb. The schedule went up and up and up after Easter this year - to around $6.50 from $5.20ish at eastertime. Beat $150 with a few
- Location
- Dumfries & Galloway
All they can do, really - IMO - is breed the Beltex to look like the 'BeltexXTexel' we have here already... Slightly less muscle as a typical Beltex, but easy lambing and a bigger size/frame for faster growth rates.
That is exactly what they will do. All good in my opinion.
- Location
- Dumfries & Galloway
So why go the slow road to reaching what's already out there?
It's been said by myself, and others, the BeltexXTexel isn't really a crossbreed, due to the being two different types of one breed... So why not just use it as their starting point?
I suspect most will be crossed with the texels they already have to give their texels a bit more shape as you say a beltex x texel. They had to get beltex genetics to nz somehow why semen wouldnt do i dont know. Maybe there are some more ambituous people there too keen to breed their own beltex
beltextexel
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- Location
- Scorton, North Yorkshire
Give it 10 years time and we will be importing 'NZ Beltex' back over here and will be calling them the future of the British sheep industry.