What will the no tillers do ?

Clive

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Arable Farmer
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Lichfield
Serious Question.

With what we are finding out about Gly.
And it's effects on humans & animals why the *** are we still spraying it on food crops.

On a personal note I have used no Gly pre harvest & none on Stubbles.

I intend to still use pre drilling in spring but not in Autumn as will be ploughing in front of planting.

we used no pre harvest but I do need it pre drilling if im to avoid heavy inversion tillage

I could happy live with usage restrictions like no in crop use and max dose / number of uses per season

those further north though or wetter areas need it to make harvest possible at all it seems if they are to avoid burning a lot more dryer fuel
 

rob1

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wiltshire
there are ways being used by some like crimper rollers etc after rye covers, sowing under crops, relay cropping etc etc - but you cant get a cash crop of every acre every year so its just not economic
rye is an annual, ryegrass is a perennial, italian ryegrass can cause big problems now with gly, without it grass covers are a big no no unless you use some sort of cultivation in summer and allow the dry weather to kill it, once it gets established its very hard to kill until its done its life cycle of a couple of years,
 

Clive

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
rye is an annual, ryegrass is a perennial, italian ryegrass can cause big problems now with gly, without it grass covers are a big no no unless you use some sort of cultivation in summer and allow the dry weather to kill it, once it gets established its very hard to kill until its done its life cycle of a couple of years,

there is no doubt that its possible to farm without glyphosate - for proof just look at mankind's ability to farm before it was invented

the issue is not "is it possible" because of course it is, the issue is "is it viable"
 
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Honest john

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Fenland
we used no pre harvest but I do need it pre drilling if im to avoid heavy inversion tillage

I could happy live with usage restrictions like no in crop use and max dose / number of uses per season

those further north though or wetter areas need it to make harvest possible at all it seems if they are to avoid burning a lot more dryer fuel
there is no doubt that its possible to farm without glyphosate - for proof just look at mankind's ability to farm before it was invented

the issue is not "is it possible" because of course it is, the issue is "is it viable"

Sure, arable crops are so low a price because GM roundup ready cropping has spread over 80% of the world.

Should it be banned world wide then the market would find a price where food would occupy enough acres.
 

bobk

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stafford
On the sidelines of a visit to Ille-et-Vilaine at the Lycée Agricole Théodore Monod du Rheu and at the science and production center of the Agrocampus West of Rennes on September 7th, Stéphane Travert, Minister of Agriculture, asked of the time before prohibiting glyphosate.

According to his remarks collected by France 3 Brittany, he considers that "we need to manage things in time, it takes temporality. I have always said that on these issues, where we have technical dead ends, we have to be able to think about how we can find substitute products. "

It also called for "ways of ensuring that research and innovation can find alternative products".

He said he was looking for "a solution that would allow us to find an acceptable trajectory for producers to allow them to continue working".

The position of the Minister of Agriculture differs from that of Nicolas Hulot, Minister of Ecological Transition, who at the end of August said that France would vote against the ten-year re-authorization of glyphosate.
 

SimonD

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Dorset
I can't see them banning it without a total ban. This includes exports and these need trade agreements, we're not going restrict imports from likely export partners leading up to or shortly after Brexit, too big an economical risk.
Can see restrictions on use, max app rate and min withdrawal time from application to harvest.
Either way you're not going to stop production of a "must have" product.
 

bobk

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stafford
I can't see them banning it without a total ban. This includes exports and these need trade agreements, we're not going restrict imports from likely export partners leading up to or shortly after Brexit, too big an economical risk.
Can see restrictions on use, max app rate and min withdrawal time from application to harvest.
Either way you're not going to stop production of a "must have" product.

No panic , bio aka organic is big in france at the mo.. they'll get over it .
 
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I liked the crimpers at Groundswell. Finding a system & rotation early enough to implement rather than being forced too adapt would be an idea.

I looked at the crimper thing in detail a few years ago. What a few people using crimpers don't tell you is that you need to plough to establish the cover crop

The link on post 51 of this thread for starters.

There's plenty on Google if you search, Glyphosate.
Graham Saint.

But nothing particularly tangible. Certainly there are worse chemicals we are out there using
 
It is possible to farm without glyphosate but not as we do now ok there are a few people who imaging they can carry on without but deep down we all know that at present you can't.
Deep down we also know that glyphosate will go eventually either through resistance or legislation.
The problem with glyphosate is the association with Monsanto and GM. The great European public have been groomed to believe it is bad. There are plenty of worse chemicals but none with the baggage that glyphosate has.
I have talked to a great many idiots about this and nothing will persuade them that Monsanto is anything but the great Satan. The conspiracy theories are f**king awesome and I'm sure somewhere a group believe that it was an agent of Monsanto on the grassy mound that was the second gunman. With this mindset you will never win as you are not arguing with rational people.
The way forward I think would be to have a final 15 yr period of renewal to give everyone time to adapt. Any one who says it's easy let me ask them when was the last time they had a couch grass problem?
15 years will give ample time to work out a way forward and by that time I am sure glyphosate will be ineffective anyway.
The bulk of the 'useful idiots' will be happy and farming has time to work out new systems to make up the loss.
 

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