Classic zetor, rear lift issue

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Greenbeast

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East Sussex

• Sep 12, 2017

• #1

I am damn certain i have asked this before, but cannot for the life of me find it.

My lift arms jump a inch or so every ~5 seconds, i believe someone has told me something about a safety valve/seal letting by which causes the pump to compensate and the arms to jump.
Getting a bit irritating and might do something about fixing it but i want to try and get the correct parts in before i dismantle anything as i'm dependant on the machine

 

Gapples

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• Sep 12, 2017

• #2

Could just be the piston seals in the lift cylinder.
That said we used to sell Zetors & we were never done replacing the control valves.

 

multi power

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Location

pembrokeshire

• Sep 12, 2017

• #3

It will be an internal leakage somewhere

 

mikep

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Location

Arse end of Surrey, UK

• Sep 12, 2017

• #4

I got so pee'd off with mine doing that that i removed all the linkage control valve pack and replaced it with a single acting spool valve. £50 job done, no draft control but it never worked properly anyway. Arms now stay where you leave them all day long.

 

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Greenbeast

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Location

East Sussex

• Sep 13, 2017

• #5

Hijacking my own thread for another hydraulics 'issue'
It has single acting loader lift rams, when dropping, i get a sort of groaning and the engine appears to 'struggle', i'm a relative novice, what is occurring here?
I ask in case it is not piped up correctly through the spool block, or something....

 

Mursal

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• Sep 13, 2017

• #6

The engine seems to go under load?
Possibly because the control valve slice if that's what you're using to control the loader is letting the ram down, but expecting to put oil in the other side of the seal,double acting and its not a double acting ram. If so you need a single acting slice or do a bit of giggery pokery with the pipework, you decide.

If its only a trip loader with only one loader pipe going to the tipping pipe on the back of the tractor forget the above.

 

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Greenbeast

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Location

East Sussex

• Sep 13, 2017

• #7

Mursal said:

The engine seems to go under load?
Possibly because the control valve slice if that's what you're using to control the loader is letting the ram down, but expecting to put oil in the other side of the seal,double acting and its not a double acting ram. If so you need a single acting slice or do a bit of giggery pokery with the pipe work, you decide.

If its only a trip loader with only one loader pipe going to the tipping pipe on the back of the tractor forget the above.

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Ah yes that makes sense!

 

Mursal

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• Sep 13, 2017

• #8

Can you throw up a picture of the control valve?

 

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Greenbeast

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Location

East Sussex

• Sep 13, 2017

• #9

Mursal said:

Can you throw up a picture of the control valve?

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loader is left most slice here, so yes it has one hose connected and other port capped

 

Mursal

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• Sep 13, 2017

• #10

If you wanted you could remove the cap and using a pipe and a T, dump the pressure back into the return pipe going back to the gearbox? Or replace with a single acting slice

 

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Greenbeast

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Location

East Sussex

• Sep 13, 2017

• #11

Mursal said:

If you wanted you could remove the cap and using a pipe and a T, dump the pressure back into the return pipe going back to the gearbox?

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ok yes, like that idea, will this have any operational effect?
Is it causing actual trouble like it is?

 

mikep

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Arse end of Surrey, UK

• Sep 13, 2017

• #12

Greenbeast said:

ok yes, like that idea, will this have any operational effect?
Is it causing actual trouble like it is?

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Pumping against the pressure relief valve will not do it or the pump any good long term. The prv is a safety device to protect against spikes in pressure caused by events such as pumping against a closed valve but not designed as a permanent return route. Another problem will be oil overheating and premature degradation.

 

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Greenbeast

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Location

East Sussex

• Sep 13, 2017

• #13

ok cool thankyou

 

Mursal

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• Sep 14, 2017

• #14

If you lower the loader by just touching the level, listen for engine noise?
You might find a spot that's fast enough with no loading of the engine. Just put a stop on the handle, save all the pipework.

 

multi power

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Location

pembrokeshire

• Sep 14, 2017

• #15

Mursal said:

If you lower the loader by just touching the level, listen for engine noise?
You might find a spot that's fast enough with no loading of the engine. Just put a stop on the handle, save all the pipework.

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There might even be a float position on the spool

 

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Greenbeast

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East Sussex

• Sep 14, 2017

• #16

multi power said:

There might even be a float position on the spool

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How does that work and what am I looking for?

 

multi power

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Location

pembrokeshire

• Sep 14, 2017

• #17

Greenbeast said:

How does that work and what am I looking for?

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It might take someone better at explain but I will try,
So you pull lever back to lift,
Push forward to lower (assuming double acting cylinders), then push a bit further forward for float
Float basically all the ports are open