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Walterp

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Location
Pembrokeshire
Rules are easily bent, dont you remember all the excuses used to stop beef exports, all very dodgy but they werent challenged.just like the steel china dumped on the world market
The beef bans were extensively challenged, as in fact Chinese steel has been addressed by the EU (once the UK had to cease its opposition).

The WTO is not easily flouted.
 

Hindsight

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Location
Lincolnshire


Thought I would have a read of the blog you linked to. Wished I had not. I shall advise my children to prepare to leave the UK for work and a life. Sad.


I have seen this fella quoted before. Before I slit my wrists, if you have followed his blog over the months what has been his level of accuracy with previous comments / observations / forecasts.
 

rob1

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Location
wiltshire
The beef bans were extensively challenged, as in fact Chinese steel has been addressed by the EU (once the UK had to cease its opposition).

The WTO is not easily flouted.
Try doing a bit of research, you will find that while the ban was lifted the french carried on banning it, remind did the french have any bse ? was their beef banned from anywhere? If you really believe that the rules get applied quickly and evenly you are sadly mistaken
 

Ashtree

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Thought I would have a read of the blog you linked to. Wished I had not. I shall advise my children to prepare to leave the UK for work and a life. Sad.



I have seen this fella quoted before. Before I slit my wrists, if you have followed his blog over the months what has been his level of accuracy with previous comments / observations / forecasts.


Anybody thinking a hard Brexit won't bring about a ginormous economic shock is living in cuckoo land!
 

Jackov Altraids

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
Do you really think the EU project will happily go on with ever closer union forever?
If not, what do you think will happen.
I think everyone will be glad that the UK carriage isn't part of that train crash.

The next decade won't be easy.
We pay more in to the EU than we get out. We import more than we export.
That is a good bargaining position.
If things do go badly, it will be an opportunity to grow a more self sufficient and sustainable economy and have a country fit for the future.

I question whether I was right to vote leave most days. The reason I think I was right and why leave won the vote, is that nearly all leave voters understand the reasons to vote remain but rejected them whereas a large proportion of remain voters can't comprehend the leave argument.
 


JIT manufacturing is about timing.

If a part takes 5 mins or 5 weeks to arrive then that is the way it is planned. The idea being to reduce onsite stock levels, handling and cash flow. If there are delays at the border it will be the same as if the part was manufactured 5 minutes away .. it arrives on time. THAT is the whole point of JIT.

Not some made up BS about woeful delays at the board screwing up manufacturing schedules.

Companies using JIT won't have to pay any extra because goods are only invoiced when onsite - the whole point of JIT. Timing on the ARRIVAL is the only issue, not how long is the delay. THAT is a problem for the supplier not the user.

This will increase the costs of those importing into the UK for JIT or those exporting for JIT as stock potentially sits on the lorry .. really there should be as much delay as there is today, but we will see. This will amount to however long it takes for the lorry to clear and move on ... most likely no difference.

Given I have seen parts travel hundreds if not thousands of miles for "JIT" and companies deliberately create new factories 100s of miles away from the user .. I doubt there will be much of an issue. We are talking about an invoice arriving on a different date which will include a payment due date which is negotiated based on the payment terms. Most payment terms are 3+ months ... big deal even if this is an extra day. But most likely the terms will be negotiated exactly the same financially as they are now.

What is the finance cost on the delay of £100,000.00 of goods for one day ? If that money was placed in a bank account earning 1% interest rate ... £2.74p

If this guy has a point to make he should make it.
 
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Pasty

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Location
Devon
The beef bans were extensively challenged, as in fact Chinese steel has been addressed by the EU (once the UK had to cease its opposition).

The WTO is not easily flouted.
We can take the numerous welfare cases over sow stall pork and other poultry conditions that the EU always strongly enforces it's rules and regulations. In fact it allows much flouting to go on and will do until it ends.
 

Honest john

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Location
Fenland
What a carry on.
PM May says U.K. To prepare for a no deal. Spending starts if no progress by end of year.

Hammond says very next day we are not spending a pound on this till we have to.

I read into this as Hammond wants to wait till 19/3/19. May till 1/1/18

EU must be wetting them Selfs in fear.
 

Hindsight

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Location
Lincolnshire
While the UK government ponders about recruiting more customs officers and building customs facilities at ports it has crossed my mind that the other side of the water will have to do the same - so Calais, Hook of Holland etc.

I presume all the EU ports will require reciprocal facilities and manning of staff for these countries to administer non single market trade for the UK sea border. So what facilities / staffing are there at other non EU country borders with EU. And what and why would Holland / France bother to get a rush on as to them it is just an unplanned cost.

Could we be all ready here in UK for a no deal cliff edge with customs officers etc only to find the trucks get parked on the other side of the channel.
 

Honest john

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Location
Fenland
While the UK government ponders about recruiting more customs officers and building customs facilities at ports it has crossed my mind that the other side of the water will have to do the same - so Calais, Hook of Holland etc.

I presume all the EU ports will require reciprocal facilities and manning of staff for these countries to administer non single market trade for the UK sea border. So what facilities / staffing are there at other non EU country borders with EU. And what and why would Holland / France bother to get a rush on as to them it is just an unplanned cost.

Could we be all ready here in UK for a no deal cliff edge with customs officers etc only to find the trucks get parked on the other side of the channel.

The way I read into it.
UK Gov are effectively going move the boarder or create a No mans land so lorries can park up or be checked etc.
So it will be done UK side of our seas.
Belfast, Dover, Etc.
 

Danllan

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Location
Sir Gar / Carms
...I presume all the EU ports will require reciprocal facilities and manning of staff for these countries to administer non single market trade for the UK sea border. So what facilities / staffing are there at other non EU country borders with EU. And what and why would Holland / France bother to get a rush on as to them it is just an unplanned cost...
Because they want us to keep buying their things...
 
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will l

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Arable Farmer
The way I read into it.
UK Gov are effectively going move the boarder or create a No mans land so lorries can park up or be checked etc.
So it will be done UK side of our seas.
Belfast, Dover, Etc.
Controls are done on import so that will work on incoming to UK but doesnt it need EU to do the same continental side?
 

Hindsight

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Location
Lincolnshire
Because they want us to keep buying their things...

Thanks, yes I appreciate the want us to keep buying their things - as we buy more than they sell us - I have gotten the hang of that mantra - but in the following post Will 1 says inspection is done on import. I have no idea. So will UK goods be inspected by EU countries on arrival onto the continent or ex UK as suggest by Honest John's post. Just thinking more about the thins we export to EU rather than what is imported into UK.
 

Danllan

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Location
Sir Gar / Carms
Thanks, yes I appreciate the want us to keep buying their things - as we buy more than they sell us - I have gotten the hang of that mantra - but in the following post Will 1 says inspection is done on import. I have no idea. So will UK goods be inspected by EU countries on arrival onto the continent or ex UK as suggest by Honest John's post. Just thinking more about the thins we export to EU rather than what is imported into UK.

First of all let us note the different identities of the European Commission (EC) and the European Union (EU) as constituted by its future 27 member states.

Until a few weeks ago I was of the opinion that rational thinking and economic pragmatism would trump dogma within the EC, it may still do so but now I am less hopeful. Regardless of the UK's being 'punished' at the behest of the EC - and that is probably what they will try to do if they cannot extort sufficient money from us - we will still be a very big market for many EU states, in fact for several EU countries we are a huge market accounting for very large proportions of their exports.

I am not sold on EU 'solidarity' as portrayed by the EC. I do not accept that countries which already ignore / flout EC Directives and Regulations to benefit economically in fairly marginal ways will cease to do so when they stand to benefit in very significant ways, and such will be the case with regard to their trade with the UK.

They will process our goods because they will want us to reciprocate; forget EC diktats from Mr Juncker or the ravings Mr Verhofstadt, if the EU states frequently ignore them now over a few tens of millions, we can expect them to do so in the future over tens of billions.
 
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