What age to drive Quadtrac on road?

Banana Bar · Nov 13, 2017

As above. I've got a good 19yr old lined up. He has PA1 and 2 and would be second driver on a Rogator if he was allowed on the road ( has to be 21). Could drive the combine and has been driving 990 elsewhere ( but has to be 21 on the road). Could drive our Challenger (21 for road). The Quadtrac could just be possible though? It's not defined as a self propelled vehicle as a combine or sp sprayer is, it's not classed as a tracked vehicle as a Cat is. I think the Quadtrac is defined as a tractor and should therefore be ok. Any clues?

BB

Exfarmer · Nov 13, 2017

It is certainly 21 for a quadtrac due to its weight. It fairly certainly needs a tracklayer licence, although others argue not.
@Simon Chiles is the expert

yellow belly · Nov 13, 2017

Has any one ever been stopped for driving an the road unless involved in an accident or obstructing traffic

casemx 270 · Nov 13, 2017

Exfarmer said:
It is certainly 21 for a quadtrac due to its weight. It fairly certainly needs a tracklayer licence, although others argue not.
@Simon Chiles is the expert

I don't think he needs a tracklayers licence

puppet · Nov 13, 2017

At least 4 times. Twice a back light was dodgy but just a promise to fix it asap- which I did. Others seemed just a routine pull looking for a reason to breath test.

76masseyman · Nov 13, 2017

Banana Bar · Nov 13, 2017

Exfarmer said:
It is certainly 21 for a quadtrac due to its weight. It fairly certainly needs a tracklayer licence, although others argue not.
@Simon Chiles is the expert

You are wrong on Cat H license. Cat H is for a vehicle steered by tracks NOT articulation. Where is the document that says 21? I haven't been able to find it.

Sharpy · Nov 13, 2017

The quadtrack is not steered by its tracks as a challenger is. For this reason you do not need a tracklayer licence. As for age I do not know.

Exfarmer · Nov 13, 2017

Banana Bar said:
You are wrong on Cat H license. Cat H is for a vehicle steered by tracks NOT articulation. Where is the document that says 21? I haven't been able to find it.

Sadly this is incorrect. The legislation on steering goes back to pre war and half tracks, when half tracks were steered by front wheels.
Would you agree that quad tracks are steered by wheels?
The truth is the legislation has not been tested in the courts. I would never send a driver out on a quadtrac without tracklayer licence

Simon Chiles · Nov 13, 2017

Banana Bar said:
As above. I've got a good 19yr old lined up. He has PA1 and 2 and would be second driver on a Rogator if he was allowed on the road ( has to be 21). Could drive the combine and has been driving 990 elsewhere ( but has to be 21 on the road). Could drive our Challenger (21 for road). The Quadtrac could just be possible though? It's not defined as a self propelled vehicle as a combine or sp sprayer is, it's not classed as a tracked vehicle as a Cat is. I think the Quadtrac is defined as a tractor and should therefore be ok. Any clues?

BB

The Quadtrac comes under the category of a track laying vehicle not steered by its tracks and needs a Cat B license therefore if it weighs more than 7.5tonnes the driver needs to be over 21. Only a track laying vehicle steered by its tracks needs a Cat H.
Normally drivers of vehicles over 3.5 tonnes max permitted weight need a Cat C or C1 license but Reg 50 paragraph 1(a) and Reg 51 paragraph (f) of the Motor Vehicle ( Driving Licenses) Regs 1999 exempt Agricultural motor vehicles which means that vehicles in excess of 3.5 tonnes can be driven on Cat f, B or B+E licenses.

Edit, having just looked it up it appears that all track laying vehicles need to be driven by drivers over 21 regardless of weight whether they are steered by their tracks Cat H or not steered by tracks Cat B.

MrNoo · Nov 13, 2017

Do plod even know what a Tracklayer Licence is??

Banana Bar · Nov 13, 2017

Simon Chiles said:
The Quadtrac comes under the category of a track laying vehicle not steered by its tracks and needs a Cat B license therefore if it weighs more than 7.5tonnes the driver needs to be over 21. Only a track laying vehicle steered by its tracks needs a Cat H.
Normally drivers of vehicles over 3.5 tonnes max permitted weight need a Cat C or C1 license but Reg 50 paragraph 1(a) and Reg 51 paragraph (f) of the Motor Vehicle ( Driving Licenses) Regs 1999 exempt Agricultural motor vehicles which means that vehicles in excess of 3.5 tonnes can be driven on Cat f, B or B+E licenses.

Just been reading up a bit more Simon and I've just seen something that suggests self propelled sprayers and combines are exempt from the 21 yr rule and can be driven on a Cat B license. Thank you for confirming the rule on driving license category for the Quadtrac.

Exfarmer · Nov 13, 2017

Simon Chiles said:
The Quadtrac comes under the category of a track laying vehicle not steered by its tracks and needs a Cat B license therefore if it weighs more than 7.5tonnes the driver needs to be over 21. Only a track laying vehicle steered by its tracks needs a Cat H.
Normally drivers of vehicles over 3.5 tonnes max permitted weight need a Cat C or C1 license but Reg 50 paragraph 1(a) and Reg 51 paragraph (f) of the Motor Vehicle ( Driving Licenses) Regs 1999 exempt Agricultural motor vehicles which means that vehicles in excess of 3.5 tonnes can be driven on Cat f, B or B+E licenses.

I am surprised at this comment as it is widely acknowledged that the law is not clear on tracklayer and quadtrac licences.
However what is clear, is that the law, that may be broken, is not displaying an L plate, if a category C licence is held. This is not a major transgression provided the employer is satisfied the driver is capable of handling this vehicle.
Their is little question though, that at 20 tons plus the driver must be over 21 years old
I believe a quadtrac 600 is rated at 22 tonnes

Simon Chiles · Nov 13, 2017

Banana Bar said:
Just been reading up a bit more Simon and I've just seen something that suggests self propelled sprayers and combines are exempt from the 21 yr rule and can be driven on a Cat B license. Thank you for confirming the rule on driving license category for the Quadtrac.

Whilst combines and self propelled sprayers are on a Cat B license you cannot drive them if they weigh more than 7.5 tonnes and you are under 21.
For info I think the latest amendment to the Driving License rules was Statutory Instrument 2014 no 613.
If you want to peruse that I’ll quiz you on it next time we meet!

Simon Chiles · Nov 13, 2017

Exfarmer said:
I am surprised at this comment as it is widely acknowledged that the law is not clear on tracklayer and quadtrac licences.
However what is clear, is that the law, that may be broken, is not displaying an L plate, if a category C licence is held. This is not a major transgression provided the employer is satisfied the driver is capable of handling this vehicle.
Their is little question though, that at 20 tons plus the driver must be over 21 years old
I believe a quadtrac 600 is rated at 22 tonnes

To be fair I wasn’t certain so I looked it up in Mike Braithwaite’s book ( a handy bible for all things relating to Agricultural vehicles on the road ) and that was the answer. @Banana Bar I notice that tractors that are track laying vehicles have to be over 21, so although the Quadtrac is a Cat B it is still 21 even if it weighed less than 7.5tonnes. Only vehicles not classed as a tractor ( Agricultural motor vehicles) can be driving up to 7.5tonnes at less than 21 on a Cat B.

ollie989898 · Nov 13, 2017

Surely the tracks license is designed around tanks and armoured vehicles, what is the point in testing people who are only driving tractors?

casemx 270 · Nov 13, 2017

ollie989898 said:
Surely the tracks license is designed around tanks and armoured vehicles, what is the point in testing people who are only driving tractors?

Because a tractor steered by its tracks handles totally different to a conventional tractor

Exfarmer · Nov 13, 2017

ollie989898 said:
Surely the tracks license is designed around tanks and armoured vehicles, what is the point in testing people who are only driving tractors?

I rather suspect, sadly never having driven one, but a main battle tank probably drives very much the same as any other crawler. Probably the guidance system is a little more advanced so you can fire the big gun at the same time

Matt L · Nov 14, 2017

As above doesn’t need cat h for quad trad as it’s articulated. Cat h only applies to twin track vehicles.

As for age I’m fairly sure it is 21 but see plenty of under 21s on them

Farmer Roy · Nov 14, 2017

FFS you pansies are complicated . . .

You can't drive ANYTHING on public roads here without a car licence as a minimum

ALL agricultural equipment can be driven on a car licence

WTF is it with all this tractor licence ( especially young kids who don't even have a car licence ) bulls**t ???

How the f**k is driving a Quad Trac or a Cat Challenger or the road any different to any other large tractor ?
At least they don't do f**king 50km / hr . . .

And towing loaded trailers at that speed ???????? WTF ?

F u ck me Nora . . .

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