Early N

Mr Charisma · Feb 14, 2018

Hmmmm , 25 acres of rape which didn't get sludge and although it had some DAP at planting it's looking like it needs a pick up ,,,, on some land with a few wet bits and there's a frost this morning ,,,,,,,, hmmmmmm

Flat 10 · Feb 14, 2018

Mr Charisma said:
Hmmmm , 25 acres of rape which didn't get sludge and although it had some DAP at planting it's looking like it needs a pick up ,,,, on some land with a few wet bits and there's a frost this morning ,,,,,,,, hmmmmmm

You are 3 weeks behind @bankrupt ......

Brisel · Feb 14, 2018

Don't do it! There is no growth to boost & most of what you apply now will leach out if the next 2 weeks are wet.

Audlem Agron · Feb 14, 2018

Unless there is active growth to support don't do it. The ground is so wet at the moment that a little and often approach to nutrition is likely to work best. With the ground at field capacity any NO3 applied will pass straight into the drains. wait until the crop is actively growing and then give it a "taste".

Mr Charisma · Feb 14, 2018

Well against the wisdom on here I nipped out and gave it a sniff of N
Our drains aren't running and I have a reasonable forecast for the next 10 days ,,,,,. Sometimes you just have to go with a hunch

Audlem Agron · Feb 14, 2018

Mr Charisma said:
Well against the wisdom on here I nipped out and gave it a sniff of N
Our drains aren't running and I have a reasonable forecast for the next 10 days ,,,,,. Sometimes you just have to go with a hunch

In which case crack on! Its snowing up here at the moment and the ground is like toothpaste so we will be a little bit behind !

Mr Charisma · Feb 14, 2018

Audlem Agron said:
In which case crack on! Its snowing up here at the moment and the ground is like toothpaste so we will be a little bit behind !

It was only 10 ha ,,,,, ground was frozen enough that the tractor hasn't left a mark and I have only put a 600 kg bag of urea on so no amount really ,,,,, if the rape wakes up it has at least got something to start on ,,,,, the rest of the rape which is sat on sludge can wait near on a month !!!!!

Steevo · Feb 14, 2018

Mr Charisma said:
It was only 10 ha ,,,,, ground was frozen enough that the tractor hasn't left a mark and I have only put a 600 kg bag of urea on so no amount really ,,,,, if the rape wakes up it has at least got something to start on ,,,,, the rest of the rape which is sat on sludge can wait near on a month !!!!!

Would be interesting to have left a trial strip. Only downside is you might be left wishing you hadn’t.....

Mr Charisma · Feb 14, 2018

Steevo said:
Would be interesting to have left a trial strip. Only downside is you might be left wishing you hadn’t.....

I have left a trial strip ,,,,, not by intention tho ,,,,,,, ran out with one last short tramline to go

MrNoo · Feb 14, 2018

Next door were on 2 weeks ago, bit of a mess and looking at the long range forecast I can't see any growth occurring for a while, looks to potentially come in very cold from next weekend onwards. I do wonder if we are our own worst enemies, whacking fert on with waterlogged fields (certainly are here) and a rain event and it mostly runs off into the drains.

Andrew K · Feb 14, 2018

MrNoo said:
Next door were on 2 weeks ago, bit of a mess and looking at the long range forecast I can't see any growth occurring for a while, looks to potentially come in very cold from next weekend onwards. I do wonder if we are our own worst enemies, whacking fert on with waterlogged fields (certainly are here) and a rain event and it mostly runs off into the drains.

Totally agree, we are in danger of giving the EA just the ammunition they need to bring in N restrictions.Plus , its a waste of money!

Mr Charisma · Feb 14, 2018

MrNoo said:
Next door were on 2 weeks ago, bit of a mess and looking at the long range forecast I can't see any growth occurring for a while, looks to potentially come in very cold from next weekend onwards. I do wonder if we are our own worst enemies, whacking fert on with waterlogged fields (certainly are here) and a rain event and it mostly runs off into the drains.

Certainly the spreader can come off again and be put back in the shed ,,,,, have no intention on turning any ground white yet a while.

But at least on 2 of our wetter fields I can shut the gate for a few weeks without having made a mess ,,,,,,,, yet !!!!!

Feldspar · Feb 14, 2018

Surely people ought to be noting the form of N. @Mr Charisma is putting urea on not AN, so the leaching potential for NO3 is not exactly high! Quoting from my NIAB Strategies 3 document that has just arrived in the post: "If urea is used for the first dose it could be applied any time in the second half of February."

Andrew K · Feb 14, 2018

James,

I prefer to look at it by saying to myself "are conditions suitable for uptake? ". Urea is less leachable for sure but we have a duty of care to the environment and also our pockets to maximise uptake and hence efficiency of product.

Regards , Andrew.

JD6920s · Feb 14, 2018

MrNoo said:
Next door were on 2 weeks ago, bit of a mess and looking at the long range forecast I can't see any growth occurring for a while, looks to potentially come in very cold from next weekend onwards. I do wonder if we are our own worst enemies, whacking fert on with waterlogged fields (certainly are here) and a rain event and it mostly runs off into the drains.

Maybe they were putting some P&K on, not N!

bankrupt · Feb 14, 2018

Mr Charisma said:
I can shut the gate for a few weeks without having made a mess

Same here, Mr Charisma.

I don't expect to be able to travel again until Easter.

As to the product used here, it was 3 parts Urea and 1 part Ammonium Sulphate.

As to take up, the rapid change from yellow to green quickly noticed indicates at least some kind of an urgent need being satisfied.

As to leaching, with us February is often the driest month of the year.

As to no growth occurring, it's all growing quite well again today.

As to it being a complete waste of money, I'd fully go along with that were we only 20 miles or so further East of here, let alone 200.

ollie989898 · Feb 14, 2018

I havent seen a wheat or rape crop locally that looks like it needs a feed!! Stuff is very angry looking and will want a good slap with PGR at this rate. Wheat in some places looks so thick you cant see the dirt. Rape is doing an imitation of kale in most places.

bankrupt · Feb 14, 2018

ollie989898 said:
I havent seen a wheat or rape crop locally that looks like it needs a feed!!

My decisions on early N above, ollie989898, and the rationalization posted for them, were all to do with 6 row barleys planted in September.

Having said that, we have done a few acres of wheat after some badly lodged OSR which has been ravaged by slugs all winter.

Whether this will pay or not, only time will tell - but it was the best place to empty the machine, in my opinion.

Mr Charisma · Feb 14, 2018

ollie989898 said:
I havent seen a wheat or rape crop locally that looks like it needs a feed!! Stuff is very angry looking and will want a good slap with PGR at this rate. Wheat in some places looks so thick you cant see the dirt. Rape is doing an imitation of kale in most places.

Nearly all of my crops won't want to see a spreader for 2 or 3 weeks yet except I have this 25 acres of rape and on wandering around this afternoon I have a DD field which looks like it could do with a kick up the arse as and when ,,,,,, no panic there tho as it will travel fairly well as and when it's ready in a couple of weeks,,,,,

Iben · Feb 14, 2018

I suspect it's a case of location location location. If I had osr, I would be thinking of putting some N on it now.

Everything else can wait till next month.

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