Danllan
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Thank you.
But if everything were to be cancelled, what would the winning Remainers be doing to placate the 48.5% of voters who wanted to leave? After all, we keep being told that leaving has to be done in such a way as to mollify those who didn't want to; so surely if there were a vote to go back in it couldn't be wholly in, could it? (And would we get another referendum a year or two after if we didn't like the result in the previous one?)
If it 'doesn't really matter' if London or Brussels set the rules, you shouldn't mind it being London. Our parliament and the EC are not 'equally-unaccountable', the EC cannot be gainsaid, whereas our governments can be removed.
It is those giving the orders to an EU army that would be unaccountable; Russia will not attack NATO, it never has and doesn't start fights it doesn't think it can win.
Don't put words in my mouth, I don't insult any country, I do recognise differences and national characteristics, and interests that aren't shared. What about what is insulting to us? I can travel to Japan tomorrow with no need for any visa hassle, or Mexico, or Thailand, or India. My father travelled across Europe before the EU or its predecessor European Community existed, he had no problems, he was in business and had money to spend and services to provide - this is normal across the world and free travel with other countries, including those in the EU will continue.
It is good that you are honest enough to admit that you don't care for our nation or country; but it leaves me at a total loss as to why, or if, you were in UKIP at all if this is the case. To say that you have experienced a Damascene conversion is something of an understatement.
What you have called 'progress', with regard to forty years in the EC / EU is only so if you want an ever closer union and the end of the UK as a nation state. Free trade was the reason for joining, nothing else; the UK was lied to, repeatedly regarding loss of sovereignty. Progress? No, the continued undermining of our country was what really took place.
You have tried a bit of patronising, no-go I am afraid. I have lived in and worked in several countries in Europe and visited many more, all I think. I have friends in many of them and speak two languages well and a couple more pretty poorly; I like the Continent, I get on with the people, but I still don't want to be part of a European Union. We had German friends here last year, we didn't walk around 'not mentioning the War', they are friends - but I still don't want to be in a European Union with them. I am not interested in Olde England, being predominantly of Welsh descent, but I do know that regardless how much I - or you - may share in common with someone from Berlin, we share infinitely more with someone from Newtownards or Newcastle, or even New South Wales or New England for that matter.
Fortunately, in our excellent democracy, most people share my view of the EU.
You live in Wales, yes?
Can Wales leave the uk? What's the difference? Except the uk chose to be in the eu, can't really say the same about Scotland, regarding the uk
As has already been stated, Wales and England are quite happy together and being together with our fellow countrymen in Northern Ireland and Scotland. Were public opinion here to show major support for a vote to leave the UK, we would have a referendum on the matter. The last major poll regarding Welsh independence from the UK was carried out after the Scottish referendum by ICM for BBC Wales, I think the support for independence came in at 3%. Obviously if you go to the back end of Ceredigion or Llyn that will increase greatly, but nationally it's not very popular. The UK has now chosen not to be in the EU ; no other country in the EU is now able to make that decision for itself . Spot the difference between the UK and EU there? We wouldn't keep anyone who didn't want to remain, and we wouldn't try to punish them if they did.
An empire can be described as a number of countries or states ruled by or under the power of an oligarchy; such a description perfectly applies to the EU and the EC. Anyone stupid enough to say at one time that they don't care for democracy or what happens in their own country, but to represent themselves as contemptuous of 'empire' while actively supporting one, needs to study more. ,