exmoor dave
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New livestock EID measures announced by Michael Gove
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exmoor dave
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Getting next to no ear infections now we tag at birth.
Used to do it at weaning and despite disenfecting tags we still got alot of manky ears.
I do think there is a slight increase risk of joint ill but not something to loose sleep over.
All tags given a squirt of surgical spirit before use
was talking about bought in stores
we get them from shearwells with the number on
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and I said carry on with it but that don't mean the rest of us want it
I spose because sheep have to have EID the tags are made in much larger numbers than they would be if only the ones that wanted them bought them which most likely makes them cheaper so the likes of us are subsidising the so called go ahead sheep farmers
[emoji106] [emoji106]Yet I double tag all my pedigree lambs at birth (300+ indoors) and all my potential replacement ewe lambs at birth (150 outdoors) and it would be several years since i’ve Had to jab one for an infected ear.
Tags are either in my overall pocket or in the box on the front of my quad just before, so hardly sterile.
Far far less ear infection when tagging at birth compared to tagging at weaning
Look round the back of the vast majority of tractors what do you see ?
three point linkage that's what
was there any legislation to say you had to have it ?
no it was just a dam good idea and the person that invented it was a genius perhaps the inventors/makers of this so called smart EID are not as smart as they think they are as they need legislation to sell their product
three point linkage that's what
was there any legislation to say you had to have it ?
no it was just a dam good idea and the person that invented it was a genius perhaps the inventors/makers of this so called smart EID are not as smart as they think they are as they need legislation to sell their product
exmoor dave
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Ok this is starting to feel like a dig now
At no point have I said anyone should be forced to use it.
I think it's worth the cost, so I do it & we're just starting the cattle now, seeing as we have the kit already and started regularly weighing bullocks last year, EID will making weighing abit easier than punching the tag number into the puter.
I'm sure there are things you'd spend money on that I couldn't justify in my mind.
Your last paragraph- that would only work if there was only one company supplying tags, since there are multiple companies trying to undercut each other, I can't really see your logic.
Danllan
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Ok this is starting to feel like a dig now
Your last paragraph- that would only work if there was only one company supplying tags, since there are multiple companies trying to undercut each other, I can't really see your logic.
It's a monopolistic conspiracy
!No digOk this is starting to feel like a dig now
At no point have I said anyone should be forced to use it.
I think it's worth the cost, so I do it & we're just starting the cattle now, seeing as we have the kit already and started regularly weighing bullocks last year, EID will making weighing abit easier than punching the tag number into the puter.
I'm sure there are things you'd spend money on that I couldn't justify in my mind.
Your last paragraph- that would only work if there was only one company supplying tags, since there are multiple companies trying to undercut each other, I can't really see your logic.
didn't say you did
I can see my logic quantity makes it cheaper for all the company's to produce them
nothing I voluntarily spend money on is being forced on you
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They are bloody obsessed with being able to trace every animal, yet there are thousands of potential jihadists in the UK and they haven't got a clue where to find them. I expect I'm a racist bigot for raising that unimportant point.
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JD-Kid
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ours here we get printed with year of birth then a number IE lambs this year will be 18xxxx also year colour to make drafting on age easyer
we made a cock up for a start changed colour and started a 1 but unless we added a prefix for the colour the reader could not work out the VIDs and some programs can't work out a leter prefix if sorting on VID's so better to have a year prefix
yes a lot of learning to get the system to work
most if not all tag outfits will do EID VID matching so would not need a reader to read tags for a small flock just put in the VID number and match them
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Getting back to the OP, may I suggest that the powers that be sort out the 'crock of shite' that is ARAMS first before they amalgamate it with the perfectly functional BCMS and make a giant feck up of the whole cattle and sheep recording job?
Perhaps the logical thing to do would be to hand it all over to BCMS and call it the British Cattle and Sheep Movement Service but I guess that would be too much to ask for a government decision
Perhaps the logical thing to do would be to hand it all over to BCMS and call it the British Cattle and Sheep Movement Service but I guess that would be too much to ask for a government decision
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Couldn't agree more.Getting back to the OP, may I suggest that the powers that be sort out the 'crock of shite' that is ARAMS first before they amalgamate it with the perfectly functional BCMS and make a giant feck up of the whole cattle and sheep recording job?
Perhaps the logical thing to do would be to hand it all over to BCMS and call it the British Cattle and Sheep Movement Service but I guess that would be too much to ask for a government decision
JD-Kid
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we spent about 20 K on the 5 way auto drafter with eid etc etc thats for 2600 ewes and 900 odd hoggetsOk this is starting to feel like a dig now
At no point have I said anyone should be forced to use it.
I think it's worth the cost, so I do it & we're just starting the cattle now, seeing as we have the kit already and started regularly weighing bullocks last year, EID will making weighing abit easier than punching the tag number into the puter.
I'm sure there are things you'd spend money on that I couldn't justify in my mind.
Your last paragraph- that would only work if there was only one company supplying tags, since there are multiple companies trying to undercut each other, I can't really see your logic.
this mateing used old scanning data and ranked ewes based on that so top ewes over 1.5 avg scanning some lower ones only singles each year
bottom hoggets culled on weight gains also know how diffrent ram breeds do on avg gains etc
how they kill out yeilds etc etc
my grandfather only had 300 sheep yes it would be a huge cost for him if it was forsed on to him and would not of seen much gain if any to be fair did not scan or have diffrent breeds etc
studs and small flocks made huge gains just with a note book
a eid reader on a smart phone would be a winner for small flocks and i'm sure the cost would not be high a mangerment app and a reader would make things eazy for small flocks
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Reading this thread is a bit like mobile phones in the 80-90s they were expensive , hard to use , limited coverage , all the companies were working against each other ,lots of people would say "why do i need a mobile i have a perfectly good landline at home ?" how many of us dont have one now ? even granny !, and the only competition is android or apple ,manufacturers and even carriers are all a bit irrelevant , Eid is a bit the same in 10 or so years it will be the norm as prices fall and software gets easy to use , prob be integrated with the phone ,
you just wait till the buyers in market make full use of it as the new generation comes through . .
you just wait till the buyers in market make full use of it as the new generation comes through . .
Mobile phones were not forced on you
JD-Kid
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waiting for DNA testing to come down then can start to match rams to ewes lambs born etc etc
you are right as more users in most cases the price drops
but think of it if a eid tag is worth say a pound (just for working ) and 17 000000 breading ewes at say 150 % it's about a 26 000000 pound industry just in ear tags each year
..that is sort what i think,the chips and plastic are expensive, not exactly easy on the enviroment either to be modern, also our lot are gonna run out of numbers ...or have to make the tags longer ....at some point....
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I’m carrying on a bit but I don’t understand this not printing individual numbers on all tags. The chip has the number anyway so why not just print it. Oh, sorry, I forgot: tag manufacturers love the fact you have to cut them out so you can ‘upragde’ to numbered tags. You really couldn’t make it up!!
Perhaps. I feel jam tomorrow thinking for technology is probably worse than for prices and demand. People are so easy to convince a new technology is great but, as I said before, they don’t take into acco7nt of the potential disadvantages. As example: gps guidance means you still have to drive around stuff sometimes as well as supervising the equipment. RFID tags might be 100% accurate on a desk but read 200 tags through a race and find you have 201 sheep kind of takes the shine off it when you have to track that one animal down to replace its broken missing tag. Electronically reporting movements/births is great but whathappens when there is a bug that means a calf doesn’t get registered in time? Don’t think there’ll be much wiggle room.