There must be a reason. Why one was turned down and one was approved.
Compare the delegated reports on both applications, if you can find no difference in policies and justification then I would feel you have the basis of an appeal.
Planning Applications, PD and the like (General Chat)
- Thread starter George from SJM Planning
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Compare the delegated reports on both applications, if you can find no difference in policies and justification then I would feel you have the basis of an appeal.
baby_percy
New Member
Hi Georgie
I’m looking to take over a 6ha small holding Agri land
Immediate intentions are to use pd for carving off a small area for growing under glass - finances mean we’d be putting up a substantial number of small in commercial terms greenhouses but large in residential terms 14ftx10ft - average size, some a lot bigger, some smaller etc. - intention is to have a lot of these initially placed 15 inches apart for access and water harvesting reasons
The remainder of the land will not be affected
My question is this - they are all intended for growing plus a couple of sheds/containers for storage, does it matter that they are not one 100x50 ft building or is it best to build a compound that has various building in it that we can chop and change - is this even feasible
2 years and a day we intend to place a second 5000sq ft area adjacent with a single glass house, funds permitting or to simply extend the day 1 biz model
Assuming money is flowing......If we then let’s say scrapped phase 1 and replaced it with a similar building to phase 2 immediately is this still using our pd for phase 1 or do we have to wait another couple of years before cleaning up phase 1
Also just how big a poly tunnel / tunnels can be put up outside of our pd before things start looking less ‘temporary’ and full planning is required
I’m looking to take over a 6ha small holding Agri land
Immediate intentions are to use pd for carving off a small area for growing under glass - finances mean we’d be putting up a substantial number of small in commercial terms greenhouses but large in residential terms 14ftx10ft - average size, some a lot bigger, some smaller etc. - intention is to have a lot of these initially placed 15 inches apart for access and water harvesting reasons
The remainder of the land will not be affected
My question is this - they are all intended for growing plus a couple of sheds/containers for storage, does it matter that they are not one 100x50 ft building or is it best to build a compound that has various building in it that we can chop and change - is this even feasible
2 years and a day we intend to place a second 5000sq ft area adjacent with a single glass house, funds permitting or to simply extend the day 1 biz model
Assuming money is flowing......If we then let’s say scrapped phase 1 and replaced it with a similar building to phase 2 immediately is this still using our pd for phase 1 or do we have to wait another couple of years before cleaning up phase 1
Also just how big a poly tunnel / tunnels can be put up outside of our pd before things start looking less ‘temporary’ and full planning is required
An interesting case, I haven't dealt with greenhouses on a commercial scale but as they are for agricultural purposes I assume they have the same PD rights as other Agricultural Buildings so as long as you have a 'need' for them then your phase 1 would be acceptable. Phase 2 would also be acceptable is the business model could show the added need. BUT, replacing the original Phase 1 buildings would need full planning or wait until you have sufficient PD rights again.
runningfarmer2018
New Member
My wife and I are interested in the possibility of building a house on farmland owned by my wife’s parents. We both regularly work on the farm and have long term plan to take over the running of it. The house would be essential to allow us to do this while ensuring that they don’t need to consider moving from the farmhouse in which my Father in Law has lived his whole life.
The site of a former blacksmiths cottage. While the footings remain there is no structure nor farm buildings there now. The land is used throughout the year for agricultural purposes.
Any advice, chances of getting planning? what do we do next?
The site of a former blacksmiths cottage. While the footings remain there is no structure nor farm buildings there now. The land is used throughout the year for agricultural purposes.
Any advice, chances of getting planning? what do we do next?
Forever Fendt
Member
- Location
- Derbyshire
Doubtful i would say at the moment but more details required for some one to give you an opinion
On the face of it you would have difficulty as they will not take into account the personal circumstances of the inhabitants of the farmhouse. They will say the farmhouse is sufficient accommodation for the agricultural workers for the farm.
I'd be happy to look at the specifics for you if you wanted to email me - [email protected]
Have had a agricultural prior notification refused due to - "the proposed building works would be located within 400m of separate residential properties and because the proposed building would be used for the keeping of livestock; the works could not be carried out under a notification and a full planning application would be required for this."
Is this correct? My understanding was it had to be 400m from a "protected" property. Just checking before putting in the full application. Thanks
Is this correct? My understanding was it had to be 400m from a "protected" property. Just checking before putting in the full application. Thanks
You are correct in that the GPDO states that it must be at least 400m from a protected building.
A "Protected building" means a permanent building normally occupied by people, but does not include buildings within the agricultural unit, or any dwelling or building in agricultural use on any other agricultural unit.
If you feel that this has been misinterpreted then I would get in contact with the case officer and ask for clarification before going to the expense of a fresh application.
Not to worry. Just have to bite the bullet and pay the monies for a full application. The fact they are 370m away does smart a bit though!!
It is an extension so unfortunately not! Keep the ideas coming!
- Location
- Sedgefield
Just my own experience.
.... But I'd always go for full planning straight away.... Get a good architect with a decent planning consultant to draw up awesome plans, and a rock solid planning statement. If possible get a CGI 3D image of the plans too.
By putting full plans in the Council have to engage with you, and they have a time limit....... And aim for the stars from the beginning..... The Council will beat you down and want more & more changes, so start big....then you can hope to end up where you wanted to be in the first place.
Prattling about with pre planning advice only gives them a heads up all IMHO of course.
.... But I'd always go for full planning straight away.... Get a good architect with a decent planning consultant to draw up awesome plans, and a rock solid planning statement. If possible get a CGI 3D image of the plans too.
By putting full plans in the Council have to engage with you, and they have a time limit....... And aim for the stars from the beginning..... The Council will beat you down and want more & more changes, so start big....then you can hope to end up where you wanted to be in the first place.
Prattling about with pre planning advice only gives them a heads up all IMHO of course.
Don't quite follow. The yard is on the boundry and we can't extend the shed from the other end as that's where parlour is. So extending back out towards the houses (which can only see the top 1m of gable end of shed) is the only option. Neighbours would have no issue at all and getting a full planning permission approved would not be an issue. The issue was the council wouldn't accept /follow up on the prior notification as it was within the 400m from a neighbouring house
Forever Fendt
Member
- Location
- Derbyshire
HereBeDragons
New Member
- Location
- Hampshire/Wiltshire
Couple of quick questions on a PD application:
1) Do I need to submit a Design and Access Statement like I would with a full planning application? I've got good CAD drawings of the barn already. Details of the covering/roof etc. are already on the application. It won't take long to write one, but I know PD applications have an element of 'keep them guessing' about them ;-)
2) I have two bits of land so am including the title copy of the one where the barn is going (5.5 acres). Do I need to include the title copy of the other part (which makes up my >12.5 acre holding), or is it enough to say 'I own another bit elsewhere'.
I did a bit of digging, and luckily, my immediate neighbour put in an application in 2012 for the largest possible barn allowed at the time (464.92 square metres or something) which was granted with no issues. Fingers crossed mine will go through OK too.
1) Do I need to submit a Design and Access Statement like I would with a full planning application? I've got good CAD drawings of the barn already. Details of the covering/roof etc. are already on the application. It won't take long to write one, but I know PD applications have an element of 'keep them guessing' about them ;-)
2) I have two bits of land so am including the title copy of the one where the barn is going (5.5 acres). Do I need to include the title copy of the other part (which makes up my >12.5 acre holding), or is it enough to say 'I own another bit elsewhere'.
I did a bit of digging, and luckily, my immediate neighbour put in an application in 2012 for the largest possible barn allowed at the time (464.92 square metres or something) which was granted with no issues. Fingers crossed mine will go through OK too.