Planning Applications, PD and the like (General Chat)

Forever Fendt

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Location
Derbyshire
Just my own experience.
.... But I'd always go for full planning straight away.... Get a good architect with a decent planning consultant to draw up awesome plans, and a rock solid planning statement. If possible get a CGI 3D image of the plans too.

By putting full plans in the Council have to engage with you, and they have a time limit....... And aim for the stars from the beginning..... The Council will beat you down and want more & more changes, so start big....then you can hope to end up where you wanted to be in the first place.

Prattling about with pre planning advice only gives them a heads up all IMHO of course. :)
Just going to start pre app advice here as the planning fee is £18,018
 
Couple of quick questions on a PD application:

1) Do I need to submit a Design and Access Statement like I would with a full planning application? I've got good CAD drawings of the barn already. Details of the covering/roof etc. are already on the application. It won't take long to write one, but I know PD applications have an element of 'keep them guessing' about them ;-)

2) I have two bits of land so am including the title copy of the one where the barn is going (5.5 acres). Do I need to include the title copy of the other part (which makes up my >12.5 acre holding), or is it enough to say 'I own another bit elsewhere'.

I did a bit of digging, and luckily, my immediate neighbour put in an application in 2012 for the largest possible barn allowed at the time (464.92 square metres or something) which was granted with no issues. Fingers crossed mine will go through OK too.
No you don't need a D&A Statement, a covering letter will suffice. Just make sure the covering letter covers all the pertinent points from the GPDO on new agricultural buildings (distance from protected buildings, floor area, distance from highway etc etc) and ensure you justify the need for the new building. Councils are clamping down on agricultural pd with no real need.

You will need to provide proof of your additional acreage as 5.5ac on its own does not permit you Permitted Development rights for a new agricultural dwelling, you must have over 4Ha.
 

Forever Fendt

Member
Location
Derbyshire
Sensible.

Sounds like you’re building an aircraft hanger!
,Yes its a fair size, In debate with the LPA about the fee ,The scale of charge sheet says "Amount of floor space created by the development" i am taking this as internal dimensions but planning officer is saying external ,it makes a difference of almost £1500 but if i add an area of frst floor space they want to charge for this based on floor area :scratchhead:but they are doing the pre app for free, If i go for P/D on the first 1000m sq then put in full for the balance it will save £3696
 
,Yes its a fair size, In debate with the LPA about the fee ,The scale of charge sheet says "Amount of floor space created by the development" i am taking this as internal dimensions but planning officer is saying external ,it makes a difference of almost £1500 but if i add an area of frst floor space they want to charge for this based on floor area :scratchhead:but they are doing the pre app for free, If i go for P/D on the first 1000m sq then put in full for the balance it will save £3696
It is a difficult one as your council are reading it the way most we have dealt with do. I always argue that where a wall is positioned is not a floor so it can't be floorspace. If it read, what is the ground coverage then I would agree it's external. But if they put ground coverage then they couldn't sting you for the second floor.
Fees on a sqm basis are always going to be argued.

I would definitely investigate maxing it out on PD first.
 

Forever Fendt

Member
Location
Derbyshire
It is a difficult one as your council are reading it the way most we have dealt with do. I always argue that where a wall is positioned is not a floor so it can't be floorspace. If it read, what is the ground coverage then I would agree it's external. But if they put ground coverage then they couldn't sting you for the second floor.
Fees on a sqm basis are always going to be argued.

I would definitely investigate maxing it out on PD first.
It would be to long a process and no certainty of getting all 3 phases passed ,given the opportunity the LPA would try and get the ridge line tiered to reduce visual impact and this would cost a lot in building terms ,the walls and uprights are almost 1m wide so a big difference on the sq meters for the fee
 

HereBeDragons

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No you don't need a D&A Statement, a covering letter will suffice. Just make sure the covering letter covers all the pertinent points from the GPDO on new agricultural buildings (distance from protected buildings, floor area, distance from highway etc etc) and ensure you justify the need for the new building. Councils are clamping down on agricultural pd with no real need.

You will need to provide proof of your additional acreage as 5.5ac on its own does not permit you Permitted Development rights for a new agricultural dwelling, you must have over 4Ha.

Thanks for that, appreciate it. Would your firm consider giving my application a check over before I apply? Total holding is just shy of 10 hectares, across 2 sites (4 miles apart), so I have enough to justify the barn.
 
Thanks for that, appreciate it. Would your firm consider giving my application a check over before I apply? Total holding is just shy of 10 hectares, across 2 sites (4 miles apart), so I have enough to justify the barn.
Yes I'm sure we could, just email it over to [email protected] when you are ready. We are closed for the next two weeks as I'm getting married next weekend and my best man is my boss and best friend of 30 years so he is coming up to Wales to help me with the last minute jobs.
 

Werzle

Member
Location
Midlands
Any handy hints/tips on getting planning for a new build house on a 100acre small holding which is being used for sucklers and sheep . My sisters daughter and her partner own the land and buildings and want to apply, she works off farm but he farms it while also helping out a few local farmers . It has a farm yard which consists of steel frame sheds and a caravan office which hasnt been applied for . They live 3/4 a mile away in a rented house. There is new builds going up everywhere within half a mile of there farmstead.
 

WoodyWoodyWoody

New Member
There's a minor family dispute going on at the moment which I'm kind of involved in but not really. It involves mother, step father and grandparents.
My mother owns 50% of the land and my grandparents own the other 50%
That's all okay but my grandparents haven't had anything to do with the land in over 20 years and all the bills for everything are in my step fathers name!
He believes he would have squatters rights and they'd have zero power to stop him staying there to prevent the sale of the property. He said he doesn't intend to abuse that right but that is what he believes to be true!
If this was true would he also have rights to sell the property?

Any thoughts on this would be interesting.
Tia
 

franklin

New Member
There's a minor family dispute going on at the moment which I'm kind of involved in but not really. It involves mother, step father and grandparents.
My mother owns 50% of the land and my grandparents own the other 50%
That's all okay but my grandparents haven't had anything to do with the land in over 20 years and all the bills for everything are in my step fathers name!
He believes he would have squatters rights and they'd have zero power to stop him staying there to prevent the sale of the property. He said he doesn't intend to abuse that right but that is what he believes to be true!
If this was true would he also have rights to sell the property?

Any thoughts on this would be interesting.
Tia

Suppose it depends what sort of family relationship you all have, and if you'd like to flush that down the bog. The ownership is simple - if your step father wants to "sh!t on his own doorstep" then so be it.
 

Werzle

Member
Location
Midlands
There's a minor family dispute going on at the moment which I'm kind of involved in but not really. It involves mother, step father and grandparents.
My mother owns 50% of the land and my grandparents own the other 50%
That's all okay but my grandparents haven't had anything to do with the land in over 20 years and all the bills for everything are in my step fathers name!
He believes he would have squatters rights and they'd have zero power to stop him staying there to prevent the sale of the property. He said he doesn't intend to abuse that right but that is what he believes to be true!
If this was true would he also have rights to sell the property?

Any thoughts on this would be interesting.
Tia
Trouble is you/they are going to have yrs of hassle/upset/stress and large legal bills . Might be easier to try and purchase it at a discounted rate as a sitting tenant and keep the family relationship intact imo.
 

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