Massey 135 with log splitter?

devonbrion1998 · Sep 16, 2018

Just tried my log splitter on the 135,my plan is to run two tractors this winter,Marshall 802 and the massey,
With the massey 135 i have plumed the feed into the trailer tipping pipe and the return into the back end,
my problem is the tipper pipe will not come live until the link arms are at there highest lift point,by this time the log splitter will go through the back window and the splitter would be to high.
Am i missing somthing or do i need a diverter or something? Ta.

startinghandle · Sep 16, 2018

not sure but you might need to fit isolator valve

Fievel Farmanimal · Sep 16, 2018

You need a special selector valve made for MF tractors. It replaces the plate on top of the lift cover, that is attached with 2 bolts.

diggerjones · Sep 16, 2018

Take log splitter off the arms and tie/lock the arms off at the top.
This is only my quess

Kidds · Sep 16, 2018

A pto powered log splitter with it's own oil system and pump etc is the best answer. Log splitters are so much better on modern tractors with loads of oil or an old tractor with a pto pump.

devonbrion1998 · Sep 16, 2018

Yes thanks Kidds, that would solve the problem and proberbly have a faster stroke.

agrimax · Sep 16, 2018

Would you not just use the splitter on the Marshall? 135s are painfully slow on splitters although they do have good hyd pressure. Suppose it depends on the size of the ram too. I use mine on a Nuffield Universal 4 and it's ideal.Likely a similar pump to the Marshall!
For the 135,you need one of these or similar and a couple of fittings and hose for an auxiliary tipping pipe.

Mursal · Sep 16, 2018

As above, get the one with the notches in the casing so you can't flick the lever between the two positions, when under pressure.

devonbrion1998 · Sep 16, 2018

I have the Marshall tied up down in the wood,would like a tractor in the yard as a back up for when we get busy,also i have arb waste coming in, cord and rounds,would be good to get my lad to split
and chuck in the shed.
Back to that valve,will the link arms stay up when diverted to the log splitter? I cant be doing with anything slow,so mybe a separate pto pump is the way to go?

Mursal · Sep 16, 2018

Best to try the valve yourself, if you have a leak (all MF leak without the pump connected) obviously the arms will go down.

multi power · Sep 16, 2018

devonbrion1998 said:
I have the Marshall tied up down in the wood,would like a tractor in the yard as a back up for when we get busy,also i have arb waste coming in, cord and rounds,would be good to get my lad to split
and chuck in the shed.
Back to that valve,will the link arms stay up when diverted to the log splitter? I cant be doing with anything slow,so mybe a separate pto pump is the way to go?

The arms will not stay up with that valve, there is a better MF valve that will keep the arms up
But I think you need to keep them down, not up
It may be possible to chain the arms down to the drawbar, not sure how recommended that is, but it does work

devonbrion1998 · Sep 16, 2018

I was just thinking arms up to a suitable working hight,i think if i try and jam the arms the poor pump will be fighting against them

Mursal · Sep 16, 2018

If your going to use a valve, best to rest the splitter on the ground, then when you flick the valve there will be no pressure in the system. If you have to convert the splitter for legs, so be it.

Kidds · Sep 16, 2018

I have my splitter sat on a platform I made. It can be picked up with a fork lift or lift arms as I choose or can be stand alone and just connect the pipes. It doesn't matter about the lift arms then. Also acts as a table at the same time which is very useful when breaking down bigger stuff.

If you can't be doing with a slow splitter you are going to have to head down the pto pump route. I wouldn't entertain the idea of running mine off my 35 and I only have an Oxdale.

TheTallGuy · Sep 17, 2018

With a diverter valve the arms will droop over time as MFs always tend to do - by putting the splitter onto a platform you can keep it at a constant convenient height. My splitter is built onto a frame with wheels so that it can stand anywhere - also easier to move around in the workshop.

Without a diverter you just need to restrict the arms from moving - usually tethered at or near top of stroke in case the tether fails. Please make sure that any exposed pipework has some form of burst protection over it as hot oil being ejected under pressure can cause serious injuries.

multi power · Sep 17, 2018

TheTallGuy said:
With a diverter valve the arms will droop over time as MFs always tend to do - by putting the splitter onto a platform you can keep it at a constant convenient height. My splitter is built onto a frame with wheels so that it can stand anywhere - also easier to move around in the workshop.

Without a diverter you just need to restrict the arms from moving - usually tethered at or near top of stroke in case the tether fails. Please make sure that any exposed pipework has some form of burst protection over it as hot oil being ejected under pressure can cause serious injuries.

I'm afraid that is not exactly correct, the correct MF diverter valve, the one with 2 outlets, has the facility to prevent the arms from dropping

agrimax · Sep 17, 2018

That would be this one........

Although if the lift piston rings are worn the arms will still drop.......won't they?

TripleSix · Sep 17, 2018

To stop the arms drooping, add a chain up to the top link point from the end of the arms the right length so it sits where you want it.

TheTallGuy · Sep 17, 2018

multi power said:
I'm afraid that is not exactly correct, the correct MF diverter valve, the one with 2 outlets, has the facility to prevent the arms from dropping

As per @agrimax even with the MF valve poor fit of the piston seal(s) will tend to cause the arms to drop over time - it's the same with my 690 - flip the flow combiner on (diverts linkage flow to boost aux hydraulics) and usually within 15-20 minutes the arms have noticeably dropped. I talked to an old school MF trained specialist about this - he advised that this was a common problem even from new & led to lots of broken top link mounts as folk would often chain the lower arms up which could cause shock loading when the load bumped around.

There's also the issue for potential seepage with the valve once the a bit of wear creeps in. The Malpas version shown above works in much the same way that the proper mf one does, but without the benefit of the nice detent locations to prevent it being knocked out of position which often happens as it is in just the right position to be kicked when mounting/dismounting.

MF-ANDY · Sep 18, 2018

agrimax said:
That would be this one........

Although if the lift piston rings are worn the arms will still drop.......won't they?

not if you feed out of one of the number 1 ports. these were designed to feed the rams of a 35 or 40 loader hence there being 2 of them. when in constant pumping the arms will raise, and be topped up every time the number one port is dead ended. there is a non return valve in the selector valve top keep the link arms raised when the port is not dead ended. the valve was deigned to keep a counter weight raised when using the quadrant to control a loader.

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