System Moore

Adeptandy

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Pondering the above machine, its the version with the rubber tyres in front of the disc.

Anything I need to be aware of, at the tipping point, its either going to be something like this ( cant afford a 750a ) or a 6m to put on the back of the PH, the 3m Vaddy just isn't working this year for me.

Thanks
 

Simon Chiles

DD Moderator
Pondering the above machine, its the version with the rubber tyres in front of the disc.

Anything I need to be aware of, at the tipping point, its either going to be something like this ( cant afford a 750a ) or a 6m to put on the back of the PH, the 3m Vaddy just isn't working this year for me.

Thanks

Personally I think that had I not gone for a 750 then the System Moore Unidrill would have been my second choice. The ones with the packer tyres in front made them more versatile by enabling them to seed better into cultivated seedbeds. Not quite as good as the 750 for accuracy of seed placement and can’t handle anywhere near as much trash. Their secondhand value isn’t great so I’d think in your instance it would be good value.
 

Adeptandy

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Personally I think that had I not gone for a 750 then the System Moore Unidrill would have been my second choice. The ones with the packer tyres in front made them more versatile by enabling them to seed better into cultivated seedbeds. Not quite as good as the 750 for accuracy of seed placement and can’t handle anywhere near as much trash. Their secondhand value isn’t great so I’d think in your instance it would be good value.

Thank you (y)
 

Adeptandy

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Hoping it might be my stepping stone into DD without massive expense, but dual purpose enough to help me with the transition :)
 

DrWazzock

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Arable Farmer
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Lincolnshire
Do you really need a 6m? How many thousands of acres are you doing?

Why not go faster with a 4m basic moore unidrill without the front rollers. Cheap, simple and does the job, but does need on the move depth adjustment on variable soils, which we achieve here by pulling using a frame on the tractor arms.
Works well here as long as you don't have a lot of floating heapy trash in very loose dry sand. Rolling predrilling helps in this situation though better not to disturb the ground after harvest.

I tried one with the front rollers but didn't find enough advantage to justify the price increase, more to go wrong etc.

Look after the coulter and disc adjustment and it will look after you.
 

Brisel

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Midlands
Sulky seem happy with the concept - they fitted it to their Sky Easy Drill. I'm not suggesting you buy a Sky as a 6m version is north of £110k now, but it's another vote for the design.

 

Adeptandy

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PE15
Do you really need a 6m? How many thousands of acres are you doing?

Why not go faster with a 4m basic moore unidrill without the front rollers. Cheap, simple and does the job, but does need on the move depth adjustment on variable soils, which we achieve here by pulling using a frame on the tractor arms.
Works well here as long as you don't have a lot of floating heapy trash in very loose dry sand. Rolling predrilling helps in this situation though better not to disturb the ground after harvest.

I tried one with the front rollers but didn't find enough advantage to justify the price increase, more to go wrong etc.

Look after the coulter and disc adjustment and it will look after you.

If I was full time on farm, then 6m wouldn't be considered.
Faster equates to more disturbance and also 240 hp on a 4m is going to look silly and increase compaction, 140hp will struggle I expect. Can't see the sense in changing tractors, that will just mess with the cashflow even more and why not cover acres quicker ? I do spend a lot of time off farm :( Cost/acre will still be the same wether 4m or 6m in wearing parts I would assume. :unsure:
I do appreciate your thoughts, thanks (y)
 

clbarclay

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Worcestershire
140 hp shouldn't have any issue with 4m Moore. I have 150 hp on a 3m (just because that tractor has the satellite steering on it) and it very rarely gets up to half power.

The moore is good value, although there are several aspects of the design I wouldn't choose to have. Mine is an older Unidrill though, without the row of tyres in front.
 
If you get a Moore
The ceramic tipped Coulter’s are essential
Or just fit a new set once the get a bit of wear this avoids crop failures
100 acres a m width with steel coulters less if it is hard and dry weight on press wheels needs to be high enough in dry hard conditions
 
Location
Cheshire
If I was full time on farm, then 6m wouldn't be considered.
Faster equates to more disturbance and also 240 hp on a 4m is going to look silly and increase compaction, 140hp will struggle I expect. Can't see the sense in changing tractors, that will just mess with the cashflow even more and why not cover acres quicker ? I do spend a lot of time off farm :( Cost/acre will still be the same wether 4m or 6m in wearing parts I would assume. :unsure:
I do appreciate your thoughts, thanks (y)
I think you should cross subsidise in this case, having 6m allows you to do the other job. You need to keep the crops right and then the job is easy. The drill can be budgeted for over 10 years at low usage. If looking at the new jd pro series opener then you would have naff all to do on it for 15 years on a low area and yet it more than likely would still be very desirable kit.

I had a moore as an entry into no-till, it's significantly not as good as the jd and I guess the gd. Monetise the difference in efficacy at £10 acre and it more than covers the interest on the capital cost.
 

Simon Chiles

DD Moderator
If I was full time on farm, then 6m wouldn't be considered.
Faster equates to more disturbance and also 240 hp on a 4m is going to look silly and increase compaction, 140hp will struggle I expect. Can't see the sense in changing tractors, that will just mess with the cashflow even more and why not cover acres quicker ? I do spend a lot of time off farm :( Cost/acre will still be the same wether 4m or 6m in wearing parts I would assume. :unsure:
I do appreciate your thoughts, thanks (y)

If a Moore is anything like a 750, and I can’t see why it wouldn’t, then a 140 hp tractor would be more than man enough on a 4m and you could expect to plant 100 acres in a day.
 

Simon Chiles

DD Moderator
Sulky seem happy with the concept - they fitted it to their Sky Easy Drill. I'm not suggesting you buy a Sky as a 6m version is north of £110k now, but it's another vote for the design.


You’d be better off with a late Moore. Sulky tried to squeeze Sammy Moore by stopping selling him seed hoppers, when he didn’t crumble they copied his drill and to get around patents replaced the coil spring with the rubber suspension system which was a step backwards. Although the principal is almost the same you’d get better ground following, and therefore better seed placement, with the Moore.
 

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