strip till soil movement

Fortunately we don’t suffer from blackgrass, but we have had trouble with Italian ryegrass over the years, which we are making great progress in eradicating with a wider rotation, utilising overwinter cover crops which are then destroyed for a good clean up and followed with Spring Oats at the moment.
I posted this photo sometime ago of a headland that’s always been an ongoing problem with IRG, even when we used to plough
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This area of grass has reduced dramatically since then but we have to remain vigilant keeping our eye on it, having good crop competition and make the most of getting a chit after harvest with regular raking.
Do you think a disc drill would be better less soil movement
 

JD6920s

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Shropshire
Do you think a disc drill would be better less soil movement

Quite possibly yes, but I like the tine as it’s more forgiving, and I’m not saying 9” shares should be used everywhere, I did the osr with very worn A shares, some wheat with new 7” and some with 9”
As long as you know where and when it’s fine.
When we bought the Claydon I was aiming to go to a 750 in 5 years, I’m still not sure we are ready yet as I believe that the ground needs to be in tip top condition, and I also reckon if we did have a 750, or GD (as I do like those) I’d still like to keep the Claydon for CC and OSR, but that may be a bit of a luxury just yet so we’ll keep going as we are for now, improving the soil, worms, OM and learning more every season.
 
Quite possibly yes, but I like the tine as it’s more forgiving, and I’m not saying 9” shares should be used everywhere, I did the osr with very worn A shares, some wheat with new 7” and some with 9”
As long as you know where and when it’s fine.
When we bought the Claydon I was aiming to go to a 750 in 5 years, I’m still not sure we are ready yet as I believe that the ground needs to be in tip top condition, and I also reckon if we did have a 750, or GD (as I do like those) I’d still like to keep the Claydon for CC and OSR, but that may be a bit of a luxury just yet so we’ll keep going as we are for now, improving the soil, worms, OM and learning more every season.
Maybe a field or a few runs with bean coulter would be worth a try
 

Andrew K

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Essex
Quite possibly yes, but I like the tine as it’s more forgiving, and I’m not saying 9” shares should be used everywhere, I did the osr with very worn A shares, some wheat with new 7” and some with 9”
As long as you know where and when it’s fine.
When we bought the Claydon I was aiming to go to a 750 in 5 years, I’m still not sure we are ready yet as I believe that the ground needs to be in tip top condition, and I also reckon if we did have a 750, or GD (as I do like those) I’d still like to keep the Claydon for CC and OSR, but that may be a bit of a luxury just yet so we’ll keep going as we are for now, improving the soil, worms, OM and learning more every season.
I think it takes alot longer than we all think to raise OM levels and improve soil structure to a point where working of the soil is transformed.
All too often, you see a farm baling and selling their straw then buying in compost to restore the deficit- I just dont get that, excess traffic and wheelings dont contribute anything.
 

juke

Member
Location
DURHAM
I think it takes alot longer than we all think to raise OM levels and improve soil structure to a point where working of the soil is transformed.
All too often, you see a farm baling and selling their straw then buying in compost to restore the deficit- I just dont get that, excess traffic and wheelings dont contribute anything.

We sell some straw it comes back in the form of fym, we also apply compost and grow cover crops , we do chop all the rape and bean fields with some straw being chopped as well. the bit of straw we sell off helps pay for the cover crops and a bit of compost haulage.. I'm fairly certain the bit we loose from the straw and extra traffic we more than makeup with covers muck and compost.
 
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Brisel

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Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
I think it takes alot longer than we all think to raise OM levels and improve soil structure to a point where working of the soil is transformed.
All too often, you see a farm baling and selling their straw then buying in compost to restore the deficit- I just dont get that, excess traffic and wheelings dont contribute anything.

I used to do this. For the price of the straw vs the price of the compost it paid to do so on paper at least. When you're under pressure to deliver max output selling straw outweighs the replacement P and K in the south west. The extra traffic and remedial work to soil structure as well as a steady depreciation of the land unless it happens to be getting a big hit of compost that year does hide the true cost of baling. I looked at CTF and arrived at a different way of restricting traffic - by eliminating the balers, incorporating the straw and needing less Fibrophos/compost/sewage cake/FYM to replace offtake. All whilst hopefully making the soil better able to carry the lower amount of traffic.

I still sold half the cereal straw this year because I couldn't ignore the prices on offer that will buy a lot of compost to replace it.
 

Andrew K

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Essex
It's a little easier down here where straw is worth little in a bale and heavy ground dislikes trafficking in the wet.
I would rather chop straw for those reasons but never say never to baling if it helps the next crop.I think PK etc are better corrected or improved using Fibrophos.
 

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