Criticising the Prophet Mohammed is now illegal.

arcobob

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Well to be entirely accurate, public discussion of the Islamic teachings which claim that Mohammed married a 6 year old girl and consummated the relationship when she was aged 9:

https://spectator.us/illegal-mohammed-paedophile/

Note, these are claims made by the Hadith, the sayings of the Prophet Mohammed.

Where next for freedom of speech when ideas can't be discussed or criticised?
The EHCR is an ass and presided over by a bunch of hypocrites. In my opinion Islamic teaching should convert to modern accepted standards and local customs or failure to do so will draw criticism whatever the law says. Failure to do this will deepen divisions and end up in bloodshed. Nobody is beyond criticism on religious or any other grounds.
 

Muck Spreader

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What about the human right to free speech?

Then you also end up legitimising this man.
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baabaa

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its a very sad reflection on the law of the land its practitioners,
if they cannot distinguish between an ultra clear case of incitement to violence, ie choudray off with the kaffurs heads
and discussion of an ancient volume and its contents:D
 
Then you also end up legitimising this man.
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There was never anything wrong with people talking.

What was wrong was how people acted.

By that I mean acceptance of Sharia courts throughout the UK. A complete failure to prosecute the 50,000+ case of FGM. A complete failure to prosecute 40 years of gang rapes of young White girls. Failure to enforce voting laws. Acceptance of poligamy. Failure to create a secular society. Acceptance of Halal meat. Acceptance of Saudi Arabian funded mosques.

I'm sure there are many others.
 
You continue have the complete freedom in the UK to say whatever you like.

Provided, you are not inciting racial hatred or similar in what you say.

People with placards saying: 'Sharia will dominate the world' are not actually doing anything illegal, nor are people who burn US or UK flags.

I don't know what people mean by an acceptance of Sharia courts? These do not have any jurisdiction over me.
 
If you were Islamic then they would. I think about 4 million people in the UK follow Islam.

I don't think you understand how it works. Muslims in Britain do not fall under the automatic power of any Sharia court. Muslims may choose to seek the guidance of a Sharia court in some matters if they so wish, but they do not have any ability to legally enforce anything; these courts are not backed by any UK law I am aware of.

Incidentally, the word 'court' is not accurate in this context; they have no legal authority because the UK justice system is completely secular in all respects. There also exist Jewish and Christian 'councils' for want of another term that may offer services for followers of those respective faiths but their rulings, however proscribed, are not-binding for any party, and would be overridden by the power of a UK court or judge.

This is the case for anyone of any faith, you may choose to be married in a religious ceremony but the State does not recognise you as married automatically. Similarly, you could undergo a legally binding divorce but the paperwork of this need not be recognised by a religious body.

There is no parallel legal system being constructed here, courts already have (and always have had) legal powers that serve to protect people from coercion and the like. Unless people are daft enough not to inform the authorities, I would suggest this is sufficient enough.

It is, in principle, no different to a football player being reprimanded by the FA or his club for his behaviour off the pitch. He might have received only a police caution for his actions, but could be more severely dealt with by an organisation of which he is a member.
 
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I don't think you understand how it works. Muslims in Britain do not fall under the automatic power of any Sharia court. Muslims may choose to seek the guidance of a Sharia court in some matters if they so wish, but they do not have any ability to legally enforce anything; these courts are not backed by any UK law I am aware of.

Incidentally, the word 'court' is not accurate in this context; they have no legal authority because the UK justice system is completely secular in all respects. There also exist Jewish and Christian 'councils' for want of another term that may offer services for followers of those respective faiths but their rulings, however proscribed, are not-binding for any party, and would be overridden by the power of a UK court or judge.

This is the case for anyone of any faith, you may choose to be married in a religious ceremony but the State does not recognise you as married automatically. Similarly, you could undergo a legally binding divorce but the paperwork of this need not be recognised by a religious body.

There is no parallel legal system being constructed here, courts already have (and always have had) legal powers that serve to protect people from coercion and the like. Unless people are daft enough not to inform the authorities, I would suggest this is sufficient enough.

It is, in principle, no different to a football player being reprimanded by the FA or his club for his behaviour off the pitch. He might have received only a police caution for his actions, but could be more severely dealt with by an organisation of which he is a member.


Sharia Law involves physical, financial and intellectual punishment.

You are obviously ignoring the fact that about 1+ Billion Muslims abide by Sharis courts throughout the world .. they have no ability to dominate UK law for everyone else YET but that is just a matter of numbers.

There is no parrallel with the FA .. when was the last time you saw a football player having his hand chopped off or a player stoned for sleeping with someone else or a player having his genitals mutilated ? You might have an argument if the FA in some other country .. or even some other organisation even .. did kill, maim and destroy .. but they don't.

Ignoring Islamic politics and law in the rest of the world is not justification for implementing the foundations of Islamic law within the UK.
 

capfits

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You are obviously ignoring the fact that about 1+ Billion Muslims abide by Sharis courts throughout the world .. they have no ability to dominate UK law for everyone else YET but that is just a matter of numbers.
Really?
Think you are getting yer knickers in a twist. Take you take your lead fae the Bible when living your life?
No? and neither to do the majority of Muslims in the UK take into account Sharia.

Is it not a bit weird that no one hear mentions that the UK along with Iran is one of the few countries in the world that has a state religion involved within our legislature.....
 
Really?
Think you are getting yer knickers in a twist. Take you take your lead fae the Bible when living your life?
No? and neither to do the majority of Muslims in the UK take into account Sharia.

Is it not a bit weird that no one hear mentions that the UK along with Iran is one of the few countries in the world that has a state religion involved within our legislature.....


I'm not a Christian so I wouldn't follow the bible.

So how many Muslims follow the Koran literally ? Figures estimate around 40% of Muslims follow or want aspects of Sharia Law in the UK.

So that's about 1.5 Million people in the UK.
 

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