Brexit...there are far worse possibilities

Muck Spreader

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:LOL::ROFLMAO:

Theresa May's deal has nothing in it about Tariffs, Free Trade .. absolutley nothing.

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Might even have to agree with you on this. :eek: TM is obsessed with immigration in her Brexit deals as she was as Home Secretary, with her divisive attacks on the "Windrush" generation and her anti immigrant vans cruising the streets.
 
Might even have to agree with you on this. :eek: TM is obsessed with immigration in her Brexit deals as she was as Home Secretary, with her divisive attacks on the "Windrush" generation and her anti immigrant vans cruising the streets.


Oh you're expecting a rise from this.

Well that's your problem and seeing as you live in France you've got Morrocan Terrorists for you to deal with which were imported a few generations ago to do the jobs the Lazy French & Belgians don't like doing.

Of course putting other races to do menial Labour isn't racist at all.
 

Muck Spreader

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Oh you're expecting a rise from this.

Well that's your problem and seeing as you live in France you've got Morrocan Terrorists for you to deal with which were imported a few generations ago to do the jobs the Lazy French & Belgians don't like doing.

Of course putting other races to do menial Labour isn't racist at all.

I am at a loss, what has this got to do with Teresa May's policies. :scratchhead:
 
Prove me wrong.
I think it's wrong that anything which paints Brexit in a poor light is derided as project fear. Surely it's not a a big stretch to think that an arrangement which makes it more difficult to trade with our nearest, biggest export market is not all going to be upside?

I can see that a Brexit which controlled immigration in a sensible fashion and (eventually) results in trade deals with more dynamic growing markets could bring benefits, while being painfully aware of the downside. Your view appears to be very one-eyed, if not vindictive.
 
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Oh you're expecting a rise from this.

Well that's your problem and seeing as you live in France you've got Morrocan Terrorists for you to deal with which were imported a few generations ago to do the jobs the Lazy French & Belgians don't like doing.

Of course putting other races to do menial Labour isn't racist at all.
While the lazy Brits have poles to do their dirty work. If it's willing, paid labour, how on earth is that racist ? :scratchhead:
 

bobk

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Well , Boris Johnson has unresevedly apologised for receiving payments from a third party after relinquishing his post of foreign secretary ..... ffs a small mistake .... he did it 9 times ...
 

le bon paysan

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"The European Commission's view was that changing your mind is fine, but that the other 27 have to agree unanimously to let you stay in. The British government simply said "we don’t want to change our minds, and so you have no business even deciding this case".

Well, on Tuesday the advocate general of the court gave his opinion; it's not a binding opinion, the judges can overrule him and decide something else, but for the most part (80% of the time or more) they don't. "

As I said, it is not certain.
Sterling rises after a top EU court advisor says the UK can cancel Brexit without asking for permission
  • On Tuesday, the European Court of Justice's advocate general issued a non-binding opinion on whether Britain could cancel Brexit without asking the permission of other countries.
  • The full ruling will follow within days, though it’s expected that the opinion of the advocate general will almost certainly be followed by the panel of judges.
  • The case, brought by Scottish lawmakers, has met resistance from the U.K. government.
  • The EU has also expressed concerns that such a unilateral power could destabilize Europe
Full article here
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/03/brexit-eu-top-court-is-set-to-rule-on-article-50.html
 

turbo

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I think it's wrong that anything which paints Brexit in a poor light is derided as project fear. Surely it's not a a big stretch to think that an arrangement which makes it more difficult to trade with our nearest, biggest export market is all going to be upside?

I can see that a Brexit which controlled immigration in a sensible fashion and (eventually) results in trade deals with more dynamic growing markets could bring benefits, while being painfully aware of the downside. Your view appears to be very one-eyed, if not vindictive.
Name one thing that they have said will happen that has actually happened,remember the emergency budget if we voted to leave,that’s why it project fear but they have pulled that trick to many times now and people don’t believe them
 
Sterling rises after a top EU court advisor says the UK can cancel Brexit without asking for permission
  • On Tuesday, the European Court of Justice's advocate general issued a non-binding opinion on whether Britain could cancel Brexit without asking the permission of other countries.
  • The full ruling will follow within days, though it’s expected that the opinion of the advocate general will almost certainly be followed by the panel of judges.
  • The case, brought by Scottish lawmakers, has met resistance from the U.K. government.
  • The EU has also expressed concerns that such a unilateral power could destabilize Europe
Full article here
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/03/brexit-eu-top-court-is-set-to-rule-on-article-50.html
I was at a conference where Lord Kirkhope (?) who was involved in writing Article 50 spoke. He was confident that we could simply withdraw our application (or whatever the term is) and go back to the previous regime. Whether that's the best idea any more is certainly open to question.
 
Name one thing that they have said will happen that has actually happened,remember the emergency budget if we voted to leave,that’s why it project fear but they have pulled that trick to many times now and people don’t believe them
Well, the pound has certainly fallen significantly which shows that the markets don't share Brexiteers' confidence. It was on the radio this morning how the economy has slowed over the last four years, due to the amount of political uncertainty over the period.

We haven't left yet!
 

turbo

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Well, the pound has certainly fallen significantly which shows that the markets don't share Brexiteers' confidence. It was on the radio this morning how the economy has slowed over the last four years, due to the amount of political uncertainty over the period.

We haven't left yet!
I know we haven’t left yet but it’s was said that these things would happen straight after the vote,as for the markets they hate uncertainty and that is all we have had since the referendum caused by the establishment trying to get out of implementing the result
 

turbo

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While the lazy Brits have poles to do their dirty work. If it's willing, paid labour, how on earth is that racist ? :scratchhead:
Is it lazy brits that won’t do the work or is it that the pay isn’t enough for them to do it with all the costs with living and bringing up a family in the uk
 

Muck Spreader

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Name one thing that they have said will happen that has actually happened,remember the emergency budget if we voted to leave,that’s why it project fear but they have pulled that trick to many times now and people don’t believe them

The areas I can think of and I am sure there are lost more.

a. The UK now has the slowest growth in the EU and G7
b. One in 7 EU companies has already moved it's supply chains out of the UK
c. The thirty financial institutions that have relocated to Frankfurt alone have moved out assets of almost 1 trillion pounds.
d. Hundreds of businesses already relocating to the EU.
e. Large shortages of qualified staff across all businesses.
f. The UK is out of the Galileo project.
g. The UK is out of Euratom.
h. Brexit is already costing the UK £500 million per week and rising.
i. The number of EU surgeons now working in the NHS is down by almost a quarter.
 

rob1

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Project Reality, more like.
did we have an instant budget or recession rising unemploymeny after the vote? etc etc no the level of employmeny has risen growth is still happening. Tariffs apart from food and cars are tiny in reality and out trade with the many countries that we dont have a trade deal with is rising faster than that with the eu, how much trade do YOU think we would lose with the eu if we go wto ?
 

bobk

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The areas I can think of and I am sure there are lost more.

a. The UK now has the slowest growth in the EU and G7
b. One in 7 EU companies has already moved it's supply chains out of the UK
c. The thirty financial institutions that have relocated to Frankfurt alone have moved out assets of almost 1 trillion pounds.
d. Hundreds of businesses already relocating to the EU.

e. Large shortages of qualified staff across all businesses.
f. The UK is out of the Galileo project.
g. The UK is out of Euratom.
h. Brexit is already costing the UK £500 million per week and rising.
i. The number of EU surgeons now working in the NHS is down by almost a quarter.

There's a big DIFFERENCE in relocating and opening an office in the EU :rolleyes:
 
did we have an instant budget or recession rising unemploymeny after the vote? etc etc no the level of employmeny has risen growth is still happening. Tariffs apart from food and cars are tiny in reality and out trade with the many countries that we dont have a trade deal with is rising faster than that with the eu, how much trade do YOU think we would lose with the eu if we go wto ?
Who knows, but if there's suddenly tariffs on a lot of stuff plus non-tariff barriers it's going to hurt short/medium term particularly given the short preparation time. Longer term it could be alright, of course
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

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Red Tractor drops launch of green farming scheme amid anger from farmers

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As reported in Independent


quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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