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ollie989898 · Dec 6, 2018

Lots of positive talk about this from people I know who are Barbers suppliers.

The UK average in terms of milk AB failures I was told is quite alarmingly high compared to the rest of Europe. Also the initiative isn't just about AB failures it also highlights AB use in general, a lot of old fashioned myths about how to use X and Y and what is legal and what is not.

More to the point they are your customer, they want it and so if you don't want to meet their specifications, sell your milk elsewhere?

The whole industry needs to wise up about antibiotic usage, the pig and poultry boys did it, it is definitely possible.

ollie989898 · Dec 6, 2018

lazy farmer said:
Genuinely cant believe your complaining about a milk price at least 2p higher than anyone else on a conventional contract in the uk ! And you can manipulate it much higher!

Someone was saying exactly this to me not 7 days ago. I believe milk is a fair bit shorter than we are being told as well.

Razzmatazz · Dec 6, 2018

We're doing the Milksure training next week with our vet because we had an antibiotic fail. There was a bit of confusion with the vet having to be trained first. The Q&A on the Milksure states that "the trainer does not have to do the training, as al the information is sent to the vet before hand." Therefore we are ablle to comply within the 3 month deadline.

ollie989898 · Dec 6, 2018

Razzmatazz said:
We're doing the Milksure training next week with our vet because we had an antibiotic fail. There was a bit of confusion with the vet having to be trained first. The Q&A on the Milksure states that "the trainer does not have to do the training, as al the information is sent to the vet before hand." Therefore we are ablle to comply within the 3 month deadline.

You gotta go to get the free pasty. You might even learn something. Besides, its too wet and talking to other people makes a change.

Fergieman · Dec 6, 2018

Just signed up on the website to do the course.

vantage · Dec 6, 2018

ollie989898 said:
The whole industry needs to wise up about antibiotic usage, the pig and poultry boys did it, it is definitely possible.

The pig and poultry industry use the vast majority of antibiotics in agriculture,so a small change there will be a lot of antibiotics.
I watched a video on the Arla website and I am quite frankly shocked at how many fails there are. How difficult is it to correctly mark a cow,red spray and tape is cheap ,plus correctly record it? The issue of dry cow therapy is now being dealt with , more teat seals are being used now with selective dry cow therapy.
For my part we have had one farm tank fail before it was loaded many years ago,we changed protocol and so far so good. On dry cows 95% of cows have seals only and any dry cow therapy used is short action as I take the view,as did my vet, that there was no advantage to long acting once teat sealing arrived,any cow that needed more should be culled.

In the pit · Dec 6, 2018

There no point in using a long acting dry cow tube ,a week is good enough.the dry cow cures any infection and the test seal stops any new infection

Agrispeed · Dec 6, 2018

vantage said:
The pig and poultry industry use the vast majority of antibiotics in agriculture,so a small change there will be a lot of antibiotics.
I watched a video on the Arla website and I am quite frankly shocked at how many fails there are. How difficult is it to correctly mark a cow,red spray and tape is cheap ,plus correctly record it? The issue of dry cow therapy is now being dealt with , more teat seals are being used now with selective dry cow therapy.
For my part we have had one farm tank fail before it was loaded many years ago,we changed protocol and so far so good. On dry cows 95% of cows have seals only and any dry cow therapy used is short action as I take the view,as did my vet, that there was no advantage to short acting once teat sealing arrived,any cow that needed more should be culled.

It may be in part due to the test becoming more accurate, which throws up false positives. I had a failure, but after sending my milk buyer 12 months of vet invoices they decided it wasn't my problem.

The amount recorded was less than 2ppb.

lazy farmer · Dec 6, 2018

In the pit said:
There no point in using a long acting dry cow tube ,a week is good enough.the dry cow cures any infection and the test seal stops any new infection

If that was true why do some cows remain infected?

In the pit · Dec 7, 2018

Chronic
Lead cures that

In the pit · Dec 7, 2018

lazy farmer said:
If that was true why do some cows remain infected?

If you dry a cow off with a high cell count you should check her cell count a month after calving should be below 200 if it's still high she's chronically infected and needs culling, keeping her just means infecting others

lazy farmer · Dec 7, 2018

That would depend on what she has

In the pit · Dec 7, 2018

lazy farmer said:
That would depend on what she has

Why would it depend on what she has if it's not being cured

Cows 'n grass · Dec 7, 2018

I did the first part of the course today and actually found it pretty interesting.

Cows 'n grass · Dec 7, 2018

For each drug there is an acceptable level of residue for it to pass the dairies test. This level is not necessary zero and the tests that are available for on farm use do not always have the same threshold level as the levels set by the VMD. The delvo test is upto 4 times as sensitive for cepravin as the level set by the VMD and tested for in the dairies but only half as sensitive as the dairies test for some of the tetracyclines.

Basically if you use a product on label or follow cascade and use a 7 day withhold then your chances of failing a test are so minute that it's not really worth testing on farm.

Beef farmer · Dec 7, 2018

Snap also done the 1st part. Harmless enough

Milkcow365 · Dec 7, 2018

Cows 'n grass said:
For each drug there is an acceptable level of residue for it to pass the dairies test. This level is not necessary zero and the tests that are available for on farm use do not always have the same threshold level as the levels set by the VMD. The delvo test is upto 4 times as sensitive for cepravin as the level set by the VMD and tested for in the dairies but only half as sensitive as the dairies test for some of the tetracyclines.

Basically if you use a product on label or follow cascade and use a 7 day withhold then your chances of failing a test are so minute that it's not really worth testing on farm.

Does the theory of volume help then?

Cows 'n grass · Dec 7, 2018

Thomas-milmain said:
Does the theory of volume help then?

I didn't think the vets are going to promote that volume will work in your favour but it absolutely will.

kp_n_plghng · Dec 7, 2018

although legally it's the individual cow which has to be clear hence why you have to delvo the cow (if off label/cascade) and not just delvo the tank.

lazy farmer · Dec 8, 2018

In the pit said:
Why would it depend on what she has if it's not being cured

It’s just the fact that a reasonably large herd can carry a high cell count cow with no bulk tank issues and if not infectious then.....

Both my 12 calvers wouldn’t have made it past 6 lactations following your route. Its just being pragmatic

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