Brexit...there are far worse possibilities

rob1

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wiltshire
My hunch is that the EU might drift apart into more of a free trade area anyway.
That would be great and I believe each country should have a vote back to a free trade block or full united states of europe and be done with it once and for all, but as great an idea as yours is since a few days after we enacted art 50 new rules have come in and no country can now leave unless a majority agree
 

Jackov Altraids

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
There are many fundamental questions that the EU needs to answer in the next decade which will decide its fate.
A few of which are;
Will it expand eastwards.
Will it tighten its fiscal union as evidently required by the financial crisis.
Will it be a fast moving decision maker with majority voting or a slow moving behemoth requiring agreement by all.
How will it face security / immigration issues with open borders and free movement of people.

I genuinely don't know how leaving is any more of an 'unknown' than remaining.
 

Ashtree

Member
but as great an idea as yours is since a few days after we enacted art 50 new rules have come in and no country can now leave unless a majority agree

Rubbish.

You can leave. Moreover as you happen not to be in the euro.
However nobody can leave the EU, and retain the same trading conditions as full membership. In other words the “they need us, more than we need them”, mantra does not hold up in the real world.
 

Jackov Altraids

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
Rubbish.

You can leave. Moreover as you happen not to be in the euro.
However nobody can leave the EU, and retain the same trading conditions as full membership. In other words the “they need us, more than we need them”, mantra does not hold up in the real world.


"After 31st March 2017 we lose right to use Article 50 to unilaterally leave the EU and the right to Repeal European Communities Act 1972. Qualitative voting kicks in then and we will need 14 countries to agree we can leave. If they do not agree then we cannot leave"
 

le bon paysan

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin, France
"After 31st March 2017 we lose right to use Article 50 to unilaterally leave the EU and the right to Repeal European Communities Act 1972. Qualitative voting kicks in then and we will need 14 countries to agree we can leave. If they do not agree then we cannot leave"
Rubbish.
This applies to countries wishing to leave after this amendment was passed.

This does not apply to the UK as we enacted article 50 under the original agreement.
However if we were to rescind A 50 and subsequently wish to leave in the future, then it would apply.
 
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Jackov Altraids

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
Rubbish.
This applies to countries wishing to leave after this amendment was passed.

This does not apply to the UK as we enacted article 50 under the original agreement.
However if we were to rescind A 50 and subsequently wish to leave in the future, then it would apply.


What's rubbish?
The statement I quoted supported rob1's post which was also called rubbish.
Both of us were explicit in that it didn't currently apply to the UK.
 

rob1

Member
Location
wiltshire
Rubbish.

You can leave. Moreover as you happen not to be in the euro.
However nobody can leave the EU, and retain the same trading conditions as full membership. In other words the “they need us, more than we need them”, mantra does not hold up in the real world.

Rubbish.
This applies to countries wishing to leave after this amendment was passed.

This does not apply to the UK as we enacted article 50 under the original agreement.
However if we were to rescind A 50 and subsequently wish to leave in the future, then it would apply.

Yes we can go now but if as the remainers want we recind art50 as it appears the court will say we can then we are in forever, the UK population is sleep walking into the euro eu army et al, while remain supporters think a second referendum would reverse the vote when the truth of this agenda becomes known then the leave vote will be hugely increased.
 
Rubbish.
This applies to countries wishing to leave after this amendment was passed.

This does not apply to the UK as we enacted article 50 under the original agreement.
However if we were to rescind A 50 and subsequently wish to leave in the future, then it would apply.


Ah, so this Article 50 recinding is just another Remainer trap.

It REALLY REALLY makes you sick to the back teeth. I note that's not in the so called "Mainstream Media".

The SNP really are scum.
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
Rubbish.
This applies to countries wishing to leave after this amendment was passed.

This does not apply to the UK as we enacted article 50 under the original agreement.
However if we were to rescind A 50 and subsequently wish to leave in the future, then it would apply.

That how I see it. If it's rescinded there are no changes to our current membership, but it will all be in black and white on Monday from the ECJ.
 
So any party who defends democratic rights of it's people in your eyes is scum. :banghead:


I don't mind people do anything legal as long as they are honest.

"Defending the rights of it's people" .. does NOT preclude entrapping 65 million people from multiple other races and countries.

You might call that democratic behaviour .. I'd call that a facism. Dictatorial behaviour and racist.

MPs in Westminster have a duty of care across ALL of the UK. If the SNP MPs fail to demonstrate that behaviour it's time they were removed from a democratic chamber. The SNP already have a forum for their Nationalism in Scotland.
 
When this Brexit vote started it was presented in the same way as the following:
Would you like this cow or that cow? [you can do this with crops, moisture, ergot, hapberg, contamination]
This cow produces this many litres of milk and that one another amount.

Then more details appear,
The age of the cows
Their Johnes status
The BTB tests they have

Now - will your original choice be the same?
A question that is not underpinned with information is a sentiment not an informed choice.

Now you have an informed choice, how you use this information is down to your balance of risk and reward. You may stick with what you first chose, may move to undecided or may swap sides. This IS your choice.

It is NOT reasonable to expect decisions to remain the same once more information becomes available. If you want an example where, what I would call "due diligence", was not performed take a look at the HP acquisition of Autonomy. Due diligence is beginning to be shown, you must re-weigh your decision using your criteria.

If you don't re-weigh your decision I would be very interested to understand why.
But some just said I want a cow that's not the one we have.

But when it turns out that the new cow isn't the cow that they had dreams of, they all of a sudden start to become specific about the cow that they originally wanted.

But its too late for that, the time for being specific passed as soon as you agreed to an unknown.

It's stranger than fiction and I find our current situation highly amusing.
 

caveman

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Location
East Sussex.
But some just said I want a cow that's not the one we have.

But when it turns out that the new cow isn't the cow that they had dreams of, they all of a sudden start to become specific about the cow that they originally wanted.

But its too late for that, the time for being specific passed as soon as you agreed to an unknown.

It's stranger than fiction and I find our current situation highly amusing.

The cow ain't calved yet.
Jeez. The heifer ain't even been on a good enough diet to encourage her to come bulling.
 
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The cow ain't calved yet.
Jeez. The heifer ain't even been on a good enough diet to encourage her to come bulling.

Nobody said she was, but a lot of people who said they wanted her have done a lot of complaining about her so far.

A guy I know bought a new tractor that he know nothing about, never looked at them, never got a semi just went blind.
Well when he got the tractor, it wasn't what he imagined, and he was disappointed every day he had it.
I did suggest to him once that nothing ever turns out in accordance with ideologies.

You can't complain when you opt to enter the unknown.
 

rob1

Member
Location
wiltshire
Nobody said she was, but a lot of people who said they wanted her have done a lot of complaining about her so far.

A guy I know bought a new tractor that he know nothing about, never looked at them, never got a semi just went blind.
Well when he got the tractor, it wasn't what he imagined, and he was disappointed every day he had it.
I did suggest to him once that nothing ever turns out in accordance with ideologies.

You can't complain when you opt to enter the unknown.
As we did when we entered the EEC, there was no mention of an EU army, a single currency, free movement, financial union let alone political union, to carry on yoour analogy when we bought a massey 35 it was great for what we needed at the time but 50 years on it plainly isnt yet because of the rules you still have to buy whatever massey now produce yet now they tell you when to drive it, who can drive it and where you can drive it and how much you have to pay for it
 

le bon paysan

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin, France
That would be great and I believe each country should have a vote back to a free trade block or full united states of europe and be done with it once and for all, but as great an idea as yours is since a few days after we enacted art 50 new rules have come in and no country can now leave unless a majority agree
What's rubbish?
The statement I quoted supported rob1's post which was also called rubbish.
Both of us were explicit in that it didn't currently apply to the UK.

I have just re read both posts. I'm sorry. I apologise, I hadn't read them properly the first time. Shouldn't post when tired, sat up watched Question Time
 

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