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pine_guy · Dec 31, 2018

Dave said:
I'm the seller and thank you for attempting to keep me anonymous, but really no need. As others have said completely different market to 'real' farmers. Its much more convenient supplying the person who calls me up wanting a 'bit of fert' for his spuds or horse paddock, you could decant from a big bag but then its messy to sell that part bag on, and you've got the little bags to weigh, it could also make it difficult for us with FIAS. This way in sealed bags from the manufacturer everything is correct and above board. Price wise its a bit like working out the value of potatoes against what Macdonalds charge for fries.

My post was a little tongue in cheek. Always realise that little quantities/convenience demand a premium, but it was more than I thought it would.

Lifted half a dozen bulk bags off a lorry for a small holder neighbour while they were at work a couple of years back, paperwork had a card receipt stapled to it, so new what it cost them, that was nearly a 3 figure premium over my artic load, so shouldn’t have been surprised.

Never done any business with you Dave, but you are just up the road, so should have a look in one day

......

......... but not for small bag fert

Dave · Dec 31, 2018

pine_guy said:
My post was a little tongue in cheek. Always realise that little quantities/convenience demand a premium, but it was more than I thought it would.

Lifted half a dozen bulk bags off a lorry for a small holder neighbour while they were at work a couple of years back, paperwork had a card receipt stapled to it, so new what it cost them, that was nearly a 3 figure premium over my artic load, so shouldn’t have been surprised.

Never done any business with you Dave, but you are just up the road, so should have a look in one day ......

......... but not for small bag fert

Its OK, if I wasn't selling such I'd make the same conclusions, yes get in touch, or let me know who you are, we haven't got past TFF PM's!

By way of comparison to the small bag Fert,

https://www.burnhills.com/small-hol...er-c23/glasson-15-15-15-fertiliser-25kg-p3122

Or!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Glasson-15-15-15-Fertiliser-25Kg-/323299405011

Chae1 · Dec 31, 2018

Did fert drop £150/t when we moved to 500/600kg bags?

Iben · Dec 31, 2018

Probably about 1/10th of that as I recall.

crazy_bull · Dec 31, 2018

Chae1 said:
Did fert drop £150/t when we moved to 500/600kg bags?

Doubt it else it would have been for free

£150/t surcharge for farting about with 50kg here 100kg there vs multiples of 15-26t sounds like a good deal to me.

C B

yellow belly · Dec 31, 2018

fertacloud said:
225 S03

187.5 S03. 75 S.

So to put 40 kg sulphate on 22kg per ha needed giving a small amount of n

Is all the sulphur in elementle form so takes time to be available
How is the urea bound in is some ammonium sulphate and some elementle this is not clear on the information

At 395
the urea at urea price of 300 is worth. 71 the sulphur costs 17.28 a kg of sulphate which is competitive
The advantage of lower sulphur concentrations is one less application if you still do 3 applications of n
But some are pushing for a little n more often for higher yields

Chae1 · Dec 31, 2018

crazy_bull said:
Doubt it else it would have been for free

£150/t surcharge for farting about with 50kg here 100kg there vs multiples of 15-26t sounds like a good deal to me.

C B

It's nearer £200/t 10.20.24 12.5s was £330/t.

Good for them though if they can charge that.

Perhaps I should invest in a bagging plant. Know another member on here marketing it in even smaller quantities.

neilo · Jan 1, 2019

pine_guy said:
Lifted half a dozen bulk bags off a lorry for a small holder neighbour while they were at work a couple of years back, paperwork had a card receipt stapled to it, so new what it cost them, that was nearly a 3 figure premium over my artic load, so shouldn’t have been surprised.

I suspect they may have been having their leg lifted too. I get a mixed part load of bits & bobs most years, usually from Wynnstay. Deliveries of sub 10t would usually have about a £10/t premium, over that is surprisingly close to artic price, usually less than a fiver difference.

3legs · Jan 3, 2019

Hi,

We are struggling to get hold of Potato Fertiliser, been told they have stopped making what we had.

Would like a compound 14-14-21 or similar.

Any help would be great.

Thanks

An Gof · Jan 3, 2019

3legs said:
Hi,

We are struggling to get hold of Potato Fertiliser, been told they have stopped making what we had.

Would like a compound 14-14-21 or similar.

Any help would be great.

Thanks

Have you tried Yara? Last list i had from them was dated October and it was available then.
If not I'm sure any of the blenders can make it up for you.

3legs · Jan 3, 2019

Hi, I will try tomorrow but don't think we have a dealer for Yara on the Isle of Man. would prefer compound.

An Gof · Jan 3, 2019

3legs said:
Hi, I will try tomorrow but don't think we have a dealer for Yara on the Isle of Man. would prefer compound.

Can you get it from the mainland?
Guess stuff must make it across on wagons. Friend of mine is out there regularly for Lloyds feeds.

Dave · Jan 3, 2019

3legs said:
Hi, I will try tomorrow but don't think we have a dealer for Yara on the Isle of Man. would prefer compound.

How much are you after? I dont know a haulier that goes to the isle of man, do you know any trucks that could maybe transport it?

3legs · Jan 4, 2019

Depending where it’s coming from getting a flat here is no problem, just expensive.
Need 10 ton of potato fert, could make a flat up with 15-15-15.

Dave · Jan 4, 2019

3legs said:
Depending where it’s coming from getting a flat here is no problem, just expensive.
Need 10 ton of potato fert, could make a flat up with 15-15-15.

PM sent

fertacloud · Jan 4, 2019

yellow belly said:
So to put 40 kg sulphate on 22kg per ha needed giving a small amount of n

Is all the sulphur in elementle form so takes time to be available
How is the urea bound in is some ammonium sulphate and some elementle this is not clear on the information

At 395
the urea at urea price of 300 is worth. 71 the sulphur costs 17.28 a kg of sulphate which is competitive
The advantage of lower sulphur concentrations is one less application if you still do 3 applications of n
But some are pushing for a little n more often for higher yields

Good question. It is 100% elemental S, but the innovation of the Shell thiogro tech with the sulphur evenly dispersed in urea is that the product starts converting to plant available with in days. Our trials in canada this year showed higher tissue test results (and similar to higher yields) at same application timing and rate than Ammonium sulphate. The point of this is you can apply like you would ammonium sulphate from a timing perspective, but with all the benefits of it being it 100% elemental.

http://northernnutrients.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/tissue-test-ICMS-trial.pdf

http://northernnutrients.com/wp-con...r-S-Sulphur-bentonite-side-by-side-photos.pdf

Ross
Northern Nutrients

yellow belly · Jan 5, 2019

fertacloud said:
Good question. It is 100% elemental S, but the innovation of the Shell thiogro tech with the sulphur evenly dispersed in urea is that the product starts converting to plant available with in days. Our trials in canada this year showed higher tissue test results (and similar to higher yields) at same application timing and rate than Ammonium sulphate. The point of this is you can apply like you would ammonium sulphate from a timing perspective, but with all the benefits of it being it 100% elemental.

http://northernnutrients.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/tissue-test-ICMS-trial.pdf

http://northernnutrients.com/wp-con...r-S-Sulphur-bentonite-side-by-side-photos.pdf

Ross
Northern Nutrients

if it is elemental s what makes it available quicker

fertacloud · Jan 7, 2019

yellow belly said:
if it is elemental s what makes it available quicker

a)Smaller sulfur particle size , and because the sulphur is suspended in urea instead of bentonite the granule breaks down much quicker exposing the Sulphur particles to the soil.
Also surface area of the sulfur particles suspended in urea plays a factor in conversion speed.
Ross
Northern Nutrients

Renaultman · Jan 7, 2019

APJ said:
Or buy a boat and collect yourself!!!

Can't be that hard Seaborne Freight can do it.

yellow belly · Jan 7, 2019

fertacloud said:
a)Smaller sulfur particle size , and because the sulphur is suspended in urea instead of bentonite the granule breaks down much quicker exposing the Sulphur particles to the soil.
Also surface area of the sulfur particles suspended in urea plays a factor in conversion speed.
Ross
Northern Nutrients

With bentonite we apply it in the autumn
I would be interested in seeing the trials results with yield datac

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