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Shebb90

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Location
Devon
The excuse of “they can s**t out 3-5kg in the journey “ is pretty daft , as I’ve yet to drop the trailer ramp to wash out and find 250 kg of muck in there .

Often find that on a good trade they weigh better than a bad . Took lambs to a market hadn’t been to for a while the other day and they weighed real well , I assume they wanted my repeat custom :rolleyes:
It's water has well they definitely loss some weight on transport same has cattle
 
Location
Devon
They will be, but how frequently are they checked?

I used my new digital scales today for the first time to check progress on a bunch of stores, fantastic to use compared to the old spring balance and I look forward to testing against the market scales.

I can weigh a lamb, load it and get it into my local market in under 5 mins, they are normally weighed with in 10 mins of getting there, so the chance to loose weight is minimal. (The floor of the trailer is often as clean as when I washed it out).

I look forward to a few "discussions" with the team at the market if their scales differ substantially.


So you have had your new weights checked by the weights and measure people have you??? because if you haven't then there is NO WAY that you can know with 100% certainty that they are correct and the markets weights are not.

And can you REALLY weigh/ check body condition of a trailer/ pen of lambs ( ie say 12 ) and have them loaded/ paperwork done and off loaded in the market within 5 minutes?? aye and pigs might fly:rolleyes:


Also you are questioning the market weights when ironically you haven't any idea how accurate or not your own old weights are!!
 
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neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
So you have had your new weights checked by the weights and measure people have you??? because if you haven't then there is NO WAY that you can know with 100% certainty that they are correct and the markets weights are not.

And can you REALLY weigh/ check body condition of a trailer/ pen of lambs ( ie say 12 ) and have them loaded/ paperwork done and off loaded in the market within 5 minutes?? aye and pigs might fly:rolleyes:

Also you are questioning the market weights when ironically you haven't any idea how accurate or not your own old weights are!!

@Jerry has already posted (above) that he is going to check his new weigher with some known weights. I would suggest that he'll have a good idea whether they are somewhere near accurate or not, before he takes his lambs to market.
 
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Location
Devon
@Jerry has already posted (above) that he is going to check his new weigher with some known weights. I would suggest that he'll have a good idea whether they are somewhere near accurate or not, before he takes his lambs to market.

Unless he has had these other weight bars ( or whatever he calls them ) independently checked within the last 12 months then he cannot have any idea if they are accurate or not when he uses them to check his new weights!
 

FordFarmer

Member
Location
Devon
Your lambs are nearly £3 head LESS than the average price per head for lambs of the same weight today and didn't make much more than strong store lambs...............................

A lot of heavy lambs at Exeter today because they were weighing very well and much better than on farm weights and apparently that was the same across all weight bands, surprising that your's weighed so poorly Jerry!

Not trying to dispute but how are you sure lambs were weighing better than on farm weights?
I think the weight debate cud go on forever, jerrrys new weights should be fairly accurate and easy to test accuracy even if not exact.
 

Jerry

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Devon
So you have had your new weights checked by the weights and measure people have you??? because if you haven't then there is NO WAY that you can know with 100% certainty that they are correct and the markets weights are not.

And can you REALLY weigh/ check body condition of a trailer/ pen of lambs ( ie say 12 ) and have them loaded/ paperwork done and off loaded in the market within 5 minutes?? aye and pigs might fly:rolleyes:



Also you are questioning the market weights when ironically you haven't any idea how accurate or not your own old weights are!!

Nope, weights not checked, but they will be a damned site easier to read and check than the old spring balance scales, having done the research and spoken to numerous people about various makes Im very happy they will be accurate and easy to calibrate.

They are commercial scales used widely in the food and drink business etc.

Your second point, answer is a resounding YES!

As you well know my local fat market is Monday morning. My routine is to weigh lambs on a Thursday, normally in the afternoon. I will handle them at weighing and select them for the Monday. At that time I record tag numbers and do the paperwork ready for the Monday.

If lambs are not near my handling set up they get moved close to those for Sunday morning, with another check weigh to make sure all is good.

Monday morning takes me 5 mins to get them in the pen and load, back lane from me to the market takes 3 or 4 mins.

Job done, no need to weigh on the morning, no need to do the paperwork last minute, its all done well in advance with a bit of thought and planning.

As regards this weeks pen of lambs, read back in the thread, I said they were nothing special, rag tag / miss-fits end of batch things. My home weight I guessed at 44kg on my old spring balance, market scales came in at 43.5 if I remember correctly. So your comment at the time they weighed light has no standing really.

And the price, well happy enough with that given what I paid for them, doubled my money, whats not to like?? Its not all about headline prices you know......

Whether my new scales are tested or not, I will still say something to the auctioneer if weights differ massively, hell, why not?? Im on very good terms with him and he knows my own lambs are up there with the best and he wants them in the market.

Yes he is working for me, but he has to earn that work.

Im more than happy to stand by my lambs, yes my own lambs are a cut above these stores, but they were OK lambs and profitable. Im probably one of the most frequent posters on this thread with lambs where I actually post pictures of said lambs, not seen many pictures or prices for your cattle??
 
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Boydvalley

Member
Location
Bath
Had ago at recording live weight gain this autumn. Hilarious.Tru test weigh head and single 600 mm bar. Found I was getting a 3 kg variation and the weigh head was randomly locking in anywhere in that range. Lambs would but on 3kg and loose it 3 weeks later. No wonder I thought the markets weren't right!
Turns out the frame is bent:banghead:
 

DRC

Member
So you have had your new weights checked by the weights and measure people have you??? because if you haven't then there is NO WAY that you can know with 100% certainty that they are correct and the markets weights are not.

And can you REALLY weigh/ check body condition of a trailer/ pen of lambs ( ie say 12 ) and have them loaded/ paperwork done and off loaded in the market within 5 minutes?? aye and pigs might fly:rolleyes:

Your lambs on Monday were p

Also you are questioning the market weights when ironically you haven't any idea how accurate or not your own old weights are!!
Very poor form to make personal attacks on someone’s stock Dave, especially when we never get to see any of your animals. Don’t see x mentioned in any market reports.
 
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Location
Devon
Nope, weights not checked, but they will be a damned site easier to read and check than the old spring balance scales, having done the research and spoken to numerous people about various makes Im very happy they will be accurate and easy to calibrate.

They are commercial scales used widely in the food and drink business etc.

Your second point, answer is a resounding YES!

As you well know my local fat market is Monday morning. My routine is to weigh lambs on a Thursday, normally in the afternoon. I will handle them at weighing and select them for the Monday. At that time I record tag numbers and do the paperwork ready for the Monday.

If lambs are not near my handling set up they get moved close to those for Sunday morning, with another check weigh to make sure all is good.

Monday morning takes me 5 mins to get them in the pen and load, back lane from me to the market takes 3 or 4 mins.

Job done, no need to weigh on the morning, no need to do the paperwork last minute, its all done well in advance with a bit of thought and planning.

As regards this weeks pen of lambs, read back in the thread, I said they were nothing special, rag tag / miss-fits end of batch things. My home weight I guessed at 44kg on my old spring balance, market scales came in at 43.5 if I remember correctly. So your comment at the time they weighed light has no standing really.

And the price, well happy enough with that given what I paid for them, doubled my money, whats not to like?? Its not all about headline prices you know......

Whether my new scales are tested or not, I will still say something to the auctioneer if weights differ massively, hell, why not?? Im on very good terms with him and he knows my own lambs are up there with the best and he wants them in the market.

Yes he is working for me, but he has to earn that work.

Im more than happy to stand by my lambs, yes my own lambs are a cut above these stores, but they were OK lambs and profitable. Im probably one of the most frequent posters on this thread with lambs where I actually post pictures of said lambs, not seen many pictures or prices for your cattle??

You claimed that you can weigh/ load and deliver lambs within 5 minutes when actually you DONT weigh your lambs 5 minutes before you take them to market and you don't even weigh them the day they go to market!

They are in fact weighed quite a few days before the market and they could easily lose weight between then and the day they go to market ( as well as of course putting weight on )

Unless you have your new weights verified after you have set them up there is NO WAY you can be sure they are 100% accurate and certainly not by pulling out some weights to check them that are god knows how many years old and they themselves may be incorrect.

As for pictures on here, your choice to put them on here but strange you only post pictures of your very best animals, never seen any of the 2nd/ 3rd grade ones like Monday and its very clear you were not happy with the market weights for Mondays lambs yet you have no idea how accurate your old weights are.
 

Al R

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
West Wales
@Jerry have you got any 56lb weights? I have a few here from the spud days and their easy to “check” weigh the Combi clamp too. Just a shame that that moves all the time. I look forward to hearing how you get on with your new weibhscsles as I need a new head for 1 I borrow.
 

Jerry

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Devon
@Jerry have you got any 56lb weights? I have a few here from the spud days and their easy to “check” weigh the Combi clamp too. Just a shame that that moves all the time. I look forward to hearing how you get on with your new weibhscsles as I need a new head for 1 I borrow.

Yep, got Dad's old weights in the workshop somewhere, along with a range of other weights for that era. When I set up the new scales I just grabbed a couple 25kg bags and some 22.5kg feed blocks to check them. Should be fine in normal circumstances and they read within less than 0.1kg
 
Location
Devon
Not trying to dispute but how are you sure lambs were weighing better than on farm weights?
I think the weight debate cud go on forever, jerrrys new weights should be fairly accurate and easy to test accuracy even if not exact.

Everyone that I have spoke to that took lambs on Monday all said that their lambs weighed better than their on farm weights ( with the exception of Jerry of course )
 

bluepower

Member
Livestock Farmer
You claimed that you can weigh/ load and deliver lambs within 5 minutes when actually you DONT weigh your lambs 5 minutes before you take them to market and you don't even weigh them the day they go to market!

They are in fact weighed quite a few days before the market and they could easily lose weight between then and the day they go to market ( as well as of course putting weight on )

Unless you have your new weights verified after you have set them up there is NO WAY you can be sure they are 100% accurate and certainly not by pulling out some weights to check them that are god knows how many years old and they themselves may be incorrect.

As for pictures on here, your choice to put them on here but strange you only post pictures of your very best animals, never seen any of the 2nd/ 3rd grade ones like Monday and its very clear you were not happy with the market weights for Mondays lambs yet you have no idea how accurate your old weights are.[
Very poor form to make personal attacks on someone’s stock Dave, especially when we never get to see any of your animals. Don’t see Butt brothers mentioned in any market reports.
BEEF, LAMB & PIG PRICE TRACKER SEEMS TO HAVE REVERTED TO LETS HAVE A POP AT EVERYONE!
 

hill farmer

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
breconshire
Spoke to Ella today and there 4.20 this week, but not sure on next week yet, she sound as if they could be more
I would hope that they're a bit more than that for next week, got a dozen just about heavy enough to go to them but may take them to market tomorrow with some slightly lighter ones (all tups)
Do you take lambs up to davella or have you got a collection centre nearer to you
 
Location
Devon
I would hope that they're a bit more than that for next week, got a dozen just about heavy enough to go to them but may take them to market tomorrow with some slightly lighter ones (all tups)
Do you take lambs up to davella or have you got a collection centre nearer to you

Deadweight still seems to be behind liveweight, deadweight really needs to be 10/15pk more on the current live trade,
 

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