The Meaningful Vote

Walterp · Jan 11, 2019

Is now meaningless, because it's already lost by all accounts.

But before next week, is anyone prepared to stake their judgement on:

1. by what margin will Theresa May fail in her attempt to ratify her Agreement?

2. what will be the nature of her 'Plan B'?

I'll go first - yes 250, no 380. Theresa May needs to lose by less than 166 to avoid begetting the biggest Commons defeat ever. 'Ever' as in ever.

Then an application to extend Article 50, before reporting back on what the EU27's conditions may be.

bobk · Jan 11, 2019

You're spamming the forum now

turbo · Jan 11, 2019

They will lose the vote on Tuesday by a big margin,chuck a more amendments in and it will pass at the second vote,nothing scares more of parliament than a commie corbyn government and I include a lot of his own party in that so the deal will be done

turbo · Jan 11, 2019

bobk said:
You're spamming the forum now

Your probably right but what is better on a dark,damp morning in January than reading Wally’s latest ramblings ,brings a glow to your heart reading the rubbish he posts

bobk · Jan 11, 2019

turbo said:
Your probably right but what is better on a dark,damp morning in January than reading Wally’s latest ramblings ,brings a glow to your heart reading the rubbish he posts

It dilutes the section and good threads get lost , The remainers tactic of whinging about the referendum rather than finding a solution .

bobk · Jan 11, 2019

bobk said:
It dilutes the section and good threads get lost , The remainers tactic of whinging about the referendum rather than finding a solution .

7 new threads yesterday ..... obviously his opinion is the only one he's interested in

Hindsight · Jan 11, 2019

bobk said:
7 new threads yesterday ..... obviously his opinion is the only one he's interested in

But I sense you are rising to his fly though, just like a trout in the silly season of May when any old fly will do!! Expected an old trout like you to be a bit more wily!! Best wishes.

bobk · Jan 11, 2019

Hindsight said:
But I sense you are rising to his fly though, just like a trout in the silly season of May when any old fly will do!! Expected an old trout like you to be a bit more wily!! Best wishes.

Thanks .

Hindsight · Jan 11, 2019

bobk said:
Thanks .

Thought that reference to 'old trout' might just catch your attention!!

Tight lines. Old trout wait at the bottom, survey all they see and then pounce. Thought that might be a fair description!!

Hindsight · Jan 11, 2019

Mmm - not really sure pounce is the appropriate word where trout are concerned. But hey.

jendan · Jan 11, 2019

Walterp said:
Is now meaningless, because it's already lost by all accounts.

But before next week, is anyone prepared to stake their judgement on:

1. by what margin will Theresa May fail in her attempt to ratify her Agreement?

2. what will be the nature of her 'Plan B'?

I'll go first - yes 250, no 380. Theresa May needs to lose by less than 166 to avoid begetting the biggest Commons defeat ever. 'Ever' as in ever.

Then an application to extend Article 50, before reporting back on what the EU27's conditions may be.

I think she will lose by a smaller margin.Dont know about the numbers but i think more Tories will vote for it but hold their noses at the same time...........(could be wrong though)

bobk · Jan 11, 2019

jendan said:
I think she will lose by a smaller margin.Dont know about the numbers but i think more Tories will vote for it but hold their noses at the same time...........(could be wrong though)

Not sure about that , personally think the defeat will be 200+ , maybe then something will get done .

BTW the EU have said nothing will change for 9 months after brexit day . :scratchhead:

jendan · Jan 11, 2019

bobk said:
Not sure about that , personally think the defeat will be 200+ , maybe then something will get done .

BTW the EU have said nothing will change for 9 months after brexit day .

Where have they said that?,and how will nothing change for 9 months?

Hindsight · Jan 11, 2019

jendan said:
Where have they said that?,and how will nothing change for 9 months?

I presume he is referring to EU announcements of arrangements in the event of a No Deal departure to help ease some of the potential confusion, delays etc. Think the haulage notice referred to 9 months for trucks to roll without change. Maybe that is where the 9 months comes from. Hey ho.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46617152

jendan · Jan 11, 2019

Hindsight said:
I presume he is referring to EU announcements of arrangements in the event of a No Deal departure to help ease some of the potential confusion, delays etc. Think the haulage notice referred to 9 months for trucks to roll without change. Maybe that is where the 9 months comes from. Hey ho.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46617152

I have a fair few hoggs to sell,which will probably run past March29.I would sleep easier if i thought things would stay the same for another 9 months.

Hindsight · Jan 11, 2019

jendan said:
I have a fair few hoggs to sell,which will probably run past March29.I would sleep easier if i thought things would stay the same for another 9 months.

I attended a conference yesterday with two speaker on the subject (AHDB and NFU) I took it that these EU no deal plans may assist with truck and airplane movements etc, but that if we depart on March 29 with no deal the more serious issue of tariffs will apply from March 30 - which will be interesting to say the least with sheepmeat. But as ever it was not totally clear. Presume someone on here will know exactly what happens on March 30 in event of no deal departure. Afraid sheep do not really affect me, so you have my sympathies.

bobk · Jan 11, 2019

Hindsight said:
I attended a conference yesterday with two speaker on the subject (AHDB and NFU) I took it that these EU no deal plans may assist with truck and airplane movements etc, but that if we depart on March 29 with no deal the more serious issue of tariffs will apply from March 30 - which will be interesting to say the least with sheepmeat. But as ever it was not totally clear. Presume someone on here will know exactly what happens on March 30 in event of no deal departure. Afraid sheep do not really affect me, so you have my sympathies.

Under WTO we can reduce tariffs to zero if we wish unilaterally , even with tariffs no lamb maybe leaving the UK but neither is any coming in .

milkloss · Jan 11, 2019

bobk said:
Under WTO we can reduce tariffs to zero if we wish unilaterally , even with tariffs no lamb maybe leaving the UK but neither is any coming in .

You’d hope

FonterraFarmer · Jan 12, 2019

Bail out, move on

Derrick Hughes · Jan 12, 2019

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100% I’ve had enough of farming!

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