M-J-G
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Part of the problem is too many clinging on to what happened after that and dragging it up at any opportunity.
I was told once, there's no point in looking back, you're not heading that way!
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Irish Border post Brexit
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I was told once, there's no point in looking back, you're not heading that way!
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- Northern Ireland
Inequality I'm sure. My father and his Catholic neighbour grew up on farms side by side. Walked to schools together. Their grandfathers were tenant farmers (like many thousands of others) that borrowed the money to buy their plots at the land reform. Their stock was priced at the same rates on the fair day. What counted was the effort they put in to making a go of the farm.
M-J-G
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And even the land quality shows a general inequality, perhaps not in your area, but in general whins and rushes mainly belonged to Catholics.
Not that it hasn't payed off, most of those with poor land were forced go to farm in other countries and work in other industries, which in many case has left them in a better situation than those who stayed home to farm.
So it has mainly worked out fine.
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Nearly a century ago in that speech to the Lord's, Carson described how Toronto was an Ulster Scots city. Canada, mainly Ontario, has nearly a thousand Presbyterian congregations. He noted the key Ulster Scots who signed the declaration of independence in America. Everyone has a cousin's aunt fanny who emigrated to Australia or new Zealand.
Economic migrants you might call them, even colonials. Many went from the ROI as well and made a better life for themselves, though Ashy conveniently hates the colonial past when he wants to take a swipe at the Brits.
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it's not over
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The colonial past is nothing to be proud of. Just where would I start.......Economic migrants you might call them, even colonials. Many went from the ROI as well and made a better life for themselves, though Ashy conveniently hates the colonial past when he wants to take a swipe at the Brits.
I'd also need to include Spain,france,Portugal,the Nazi,s and the yanks,Stalin where does murder and death stop
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You are absolutely right, everyone has been at it and many still are.
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I hope you’re not excusing the murder of innocents.
it's not over
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Hes talking about civil rights. Problem here Isif you speak out or have a difference view you are demonized, nothing was gained by the troubles but suffering and death. I could argue if the loyalist worker council had not brought down sunningdale in 74 the troubles may of ended sooner
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The troubles that began with Republican hotheads taking up arms, were not in any way made better by the joining in of loyalist hotheads (steamed up by Paisley). There was nothing good in any of it.
Regarding police brutality. It's important to apply context. Policing in those days, anywhere in the world (miners strikes, Black rights, anti nuclear etc), was a much more blunt instrument than it is today. Well, not in America that is. They still will give illegally gathered crowds a hiding. Most peaceful crowds though do not have people with firearms amongst them waiting an opportunity to create a panic. Bloody Sunday was a sorrowful day for us all. The outcome was beyond Martin Maginnis's wildest dreams - a very panicked and poor response by the army leading to tragedy. Perfect for recruitment.
Today, policing is a bit on the soft side, most of us would agree?
Regarding police brutality. It's important to apply context. Policing in those days, anywhere in the world (miners strikes, Black rights, anti nuclear etc), was a much more blunt instrument than it is today. Well, not in America that is. They still will give illegally gathered crowds a hiding. Most peaceful crowds though do not have people with firearms amongst them waiting an opportunity to create a panic. Bloody Sunday was a sorrowful day for us all. The outcome was beyond Martin Maginnis's wildest dreams - a very panicked and poor response by the army leading to tragedy. Perfect for recruitment.
Today, policing is a bit on the soft side, most of us would agree?
it's not over
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That may in some way be true but can you really say they were impartial policemen,even handed. The dreaded "b specials" were disbanded in 1970. What loyalist march did they attack,can't think of one
We need to look to the future. Brexit has consolidated,galvanised nationalists Nationalism is no longer a dirty word. The union is on the table big time,not put there by the nats but the brexiteer elements in the dup. There's no representation for nationalists in Westminster and maybe no one cares but the current environment does not bode well for the union. What really was wrong with the status quo of the eu. We could be who we want and everyone was happy. Take back control, what does that mean,we still have laws,rules etc to follow
We need to look to the future. Brexit has consolidated,galvanised nationalists Nationalism is no longer a dirty word. The union is on the table big time,not put there by the nats but the brexiteer elements in the dup. There's no representation for nationalists in Westminster and maybe no one cares but the current environment does not bode well for the union. What really was wrong with the status quo of the eu. We could be who we want and everyone was happy. Take back control, what does that mean,we still have laws,rules etc to follow
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warksfarmer
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Yes all religion whether it’s Christianity, Islam, Jedi
. It’s all just a story created over 1000’s of years.I respect everybody’s views but if it starts to impact on our countries future then it’s time to call it in for what it really is.
Majority of wars worldwide are religious based.
Yes all religion whether it’s Christianity, Islam, Jedi
I respect everybody’s views but if it starts to impact on our countries future then it’s time to call it in for what it really is.
Majority of wars worldwide are religious based.
Probably best we don't send you to NI as a peace envoy Lee
I completely agree with you on alot of points,visited NI last summer for the first time and found out alot of the past. got a real dose of reality of what life is like there.peace is on a knife edge in some areas.One has to acknowledge the past in order for the future to proceed smoothly on all sides.In or out life will go on ,Alot of the the project fear sayings are actually happening so project reality is happening now.
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I absolutely agree it's a threat to the union. But then I and other moderate unionists have always seen Paisley as such, right from the beginning.
We could be who we wanted, yes, fair enough. To a degree. It's safe for a Gaelic player to walk into a chippy in ballymoney in their strip. However, it's not safe for a rangers football fan to walk into a chippy in dunloy, as you'd know yourself. Things are not normal by a long way.
I do have to ask though. What Irishman living in Northern Ireland will feel any less Irish after Brexit? Do you see it actually having any effect in that regard? Will you feel less Irish? People will still come and go over the border and work on both sides. It could be a great anticlimax actually.
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Im afraid we will have to agree to disagree Faith and belief are no work of fiction to me and billions of others worldwide and the amount of circumstantial evidence to support the reality ot the supernatural are considerable. Maybe if you are openminded enough you would try reading the works of padre pio and others who have had the gift of insight. Fruit cakes like fry are not very credible.Yes all religion whether it’s Christianity, Islam, Jedi
I respect everybody’s views but if it starts to impact on our countries future then it’s time to call it in for what it really is.
Majority of wars worldwide are religious based.
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- Northern Ireland
Knew a man who was shot at going for chips in dunloy.....he was in full ruc uniform at the time!
Courier
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Such a shame that the David Allen sign off phrase “ May your god go with you” and the beliefs that their is only ONE god for all religions and sects are not respected by each and every religion and sect.
The problems go beyond the individual deity as some of the fiercest conflicts are associated with dogma, sectarianism and fundamentalism.
Courier
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Exactly, So much conflict in the misguided "name of religion"