Insects on the brink

DRC

Member
I personally think margins are not great, a bit of spray drift and half of a 10m margin gets a dose of what ever (I know we are not meant to have spray drift) also general public think they are brilliant new footpaths to let rover explore and sh!t to his hearts content. I prefer larger blocks or corners which are not great on yield maps if you do the headland it just makes another headland 10meters in, effectively giving you a higher percentage of headlands over a smaller area. If you get my drift.
I agree with that. After 10 yrs of HLS I hated the things. Half the village walked on them and the weeds spread out from the hedge .
 

Brisel

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
I think any future support payments will require farmers to grow a percentage of insect supporting mixes . Every Arable field in the country with a 10 m margin or such like .

I agree. The current model works on 1 ha of pollen & nectar and 2 ha of winter seed for every 100 ha of land in the scheme if you want to Farm Wildlife & Pollinator package.
 

willy

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Rutland
A company called the environment bank, was set up by a chap near me, and the idea was to link private sector who need to offset their environmental impact and set up a 10-30 year private contract with farmers. So for every bit of damage done by building a new supermarket for example an area of X was contracted out to a farmer.

I think this is a way forward but councils and government have thought they can do better I suppose.
 

willy

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Rutland
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Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
I think any future support payments will require farmers to grow a percentage of insect supporting mixes . Every Arable field in the country with a 10 m margin or such like .

I would love to see a higher level of support for any farmer who says they will use zero insecticides

Extra money to cover the extra risk seems fair to me whilst offering clear value to the environment to square such payment wit the tax payer


why on earth don't we see simple common sense policy and instead just pay that tax payer money to quangos and industry leaches to keep telling us there is a problem ??
 
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Simon C

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Essex Coast
I would love to see a higher level of support for any farmer who says they will use zero insecticides

Extra money to cover the extra risk seems fair to me whilst offering clear value to the environment to square such payment wit the tax payer


why on earth don't we see simple common sense policy and instead just pay that tax payer money to quangos and industry leaches to keep telling us there is a problem ??

100% with you on that Clive, I would happily take the risk with occasional BYDV if there was public money to help.

Then another payment to reduce or cut completely N use and all sorts of environmental problems would be solved..
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
100% with you on that Clive, I would happily take the risk with occasional BYDV if there was public money to help.

Then another payment to reduce or cut completely N use and all sorts of environmental problems would be solved..


is such simple, basic common sense, win / win for everyone

If only I could be Micheal Gove for a day !!
 

glasshouse

Member
Location
lothians
100% with you on that Clive, I would happily take the risk with occasional BYDV if there was public money to help.

Then another payment to reduce or cut completely N use and all sorts of environmental problems would be solved..
Just double the bps payment if you are organic.
Sorts everything, including obesity
 

Stewart Setter

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Suffolk, UK
more scare monger stories.. Insects were here before us and will still be here long after us ( the rate we are going ).

Yes, there are declines in species, which is not great, but to say what they are saying is nuts.

Just another story to hammer the agr sector..
 

delilah

Member
and there is the absolute truth.. Our species is massively over populated. Our elderly are living longer, our medical advances keep us alive longer, people popping out children despite not being able to afford it..

So long as one of us in the UK consumes the same amount of the earth scarce resources as do 100 people in less developed countries, we have no right to take that line. It's not the number of people, its how those people - us - live their lives.
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
The biggest loss of topsoil is to house building

pretty sure house builders don't dump it in rivers and the oceans though ................ after adding a few nitrates and residual pesticides that is



It's seriously naive to think Ag has no issues and is nothing but good for the environment, it makes us look very silly as farmers to claim otherwise regardless
 

Poorbuthappy

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
I think we should all pack up and let our fields go wild. Then we can import food from countries where we can’t see what’s going on. We’ll feel much better for it, I’m sure.
Or we could just learn to farm more responsibly/ sustainably. We want to have a product to shout about that is worth a premium over imports?
 

glasshouse

Member
Location
lothians
pretty sure house builders don't dump it in rivers and the oceans though ................ after adding a few nitrates and residual pesticides that is



It's seriously naive to think Ag has no issues and is nothing but good for the environment, it makes us look very silly as farmers to claim otherwise regardless
Its still being lost to food production.
 

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