how long before we're all organic?

Neddy flanders · Feb 12, 2019

New head of Natural England and the man who will provide most subsidy and direction to farmers post BPS and post-Brexit is a Friends-of-the-Earth and WWF fanatic.
He and the Urbanites will only pay for picture-postcard farming with soundbites such as 'organic'.
surely cant be long before subsidy only directed to non-chemical farms?

Hereward · Feb 12, 2019

Think of how much less stressful it would be on windy spring days!

7610 super q · Feb 12, 2019

At least a third of the farm would have to be fertility building ( in other words, doing f**k all for the bank account ). Subs would have to be more than they are now.......

Henery · Feb 12, 2019

If the subs are enough .... bring it on !

Bald Rick · Feb 12, 2019

Neddy flanders said:
New head of Natural England and the man who will provide most subsidy and direction to farmers post BPS and post-Brexit is a Friends-of-the-Earth and WWF fanatic.
He and the Urbanites will only pay for picture-postcard farming with soundbites such as 'organic'.
surely cant be long before subsidy only directed to non-chemical farms?

Tony Juniper will have you in a (gin) trap ...

Did you see what I did there?

TBH if you farm on good land you should be able to farm without subsidy. Marginal and hill land need support and will get that from delivering “Public Goods” ie whatever the politicians decree is the way to distribute the dosh

Nithsdale · Feb 12, 2019

No such thing as organic, IMO. The land needs fed to be able to produce... depends how much the 'public' really want to pay for their ideology

PSQ · Feb 12, 2019

how long before we're all organic?

You mean how long before some populist ~~'band waggon' riding f**kwitts~~ politicians throw us all under the environmental bus, while making 'trade deals' allowing the cheapest non-organic ~~chlorinated sh!t~~ food from countries with lowest welfare and production standards ?

- I would think about 10.

PSQ · Feb 12, 2019

- 9,

- 8 ....

Gong Farmer · Feb 12, 2019

You can't do organic without livestock! Think of the vegans!

(I know some have tried all arable organic but it still meant importing lots of muck)

oldoaktree · Feb 12, 2019

Organic might ok for the London champagne Socialists with plenty of money. But the working middle class with a family to feed might think differently. We have food banks as people can’t afford food and there’s talk of more organic.

Tarw Coch · Feb 12, 2019

oldoaktree said:
Organic might ok for the London champagne Socialists with plenty of money. But the working middle class with a family to feed might think differently. We have food banks as people can’t afford food and there’s talk of more organic.

But there would be no organic premium as the market would be full of it, organic prices would have to compete with whatever the cheapest food that could be imported could be bought for and as mentioned earlier, imported food wouldn’t be expected to come up to same standards.

2wheels · Feb 12, 2019

Neddy flanders said:
New head of Natural England and the man who will provide most subsidy and direction to farmers post BPS and post-Brexit is a Friends-of-the-Earth and WWF fanatic.
He and the Urbanites will only pay for picture-postcard farming with soundbites such as 'organic'.
surely cant be long before subsidy only directed to non-chemical farms?

when the public are starving it will be interesting to see who are hanging from the lamposts.

Devil's advocate · Feb 12, 2019

I'm sorry for beet growers.

But I half hope the beet crop, almost fails this year. To illustrate just how serious all these pesticide withdrawls are.

The worst thing that could happen is that beet yeilds are just down 10%. Then when withdrawls are accepted that yeilds are down 30 to 50% for the next 10-20, till we see sense, years.

Agrivator · Feb 12, 2019

But we've known for years that organic farming has a higher carbon footprint than sound conventional farming.

If we could grow roundup-ready crops, we could maximise production on part of the farm, and grow weeds for creepy crawlies on the other part.

bobk · Feb 12, 2019

Natural England can swivel , I'm going out all production .

Subs are payments for poor farming .

Poorbuthappy · Feb 12, 2019

7610 super q said:
At least a third of the farm would have to be fertility building ( in other words, doing fudge all for the bank account ). Subs would have to be more than they are now.......

Fertility building needn't be unproductive - grazing cover crops could earn you tack rates if nothing else.

multi power · Feb 12, 2019

Agrivator said:
But we've known for years that organic farming has a higher carbon footprint than sound conventional farming.

If we could grow roundup-ready crops, we could maximise production on part of the farm, and grow weeds for creepy crawlies on the other part.

Roundup Ready crops are fantastic

If you happen to be a Monsanto shareholder, just another way to have you by the rubbish if you are just a farmer

Pan mixer · Feb 12, 2019

Is there a market for thistles? That is all I can grow really well on my organic bit - well there are about 7 acres of brambles, I suppose, too.

delilah · Feb 12, 2019

As a long standing member of Friends of the Earth I have no problem with Tony Juniper. The agricultural industry - through the NFU - should be using his past to your advantage, by lobbying him hard on the environmental benefits of reduced food miles, ie UK produce.

bobk · Feb 12, 2019

delilah said:
As a long standing member of Friends of the Earth I have no problem with Tony Juniper. The agricultural industry - through the NFU - should be using his past to your advantage, by lobbying him hard on the environmental benefits of reduced food miles, ie UK produce.

Yes , but NE don't pay out .... ask anyone in mid tier

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