Kuhn or Claas

KB6930

Member
Location
Borders
there is still a lely in the area
and it looks like hes dragging a cock of hay behind him
but pottinger dont gather as much
so not just a claas problem
We used to get a Krone on hire beforehand and it was excellent but needed a tedder in a hurry one and only claas available second hand by the time I'd made 1acres of hay I wish I'd never seen it
 

jpd

Member
Location
rep of irl
Lely are/were so brilliant because of the shape of their tines.
If they aren't available any more, the alternative has got to be the Malone.
Forget anything else IMO.
And that is the reason I get rid of mine.
The hay Bob rowing after lely tossed hay invariably pulled green lumps of untouched grass. The hook tine is grand for silage, but a disaster for hay
 
Find below the differences in weight and hp needed to drive a 4 rotor tedder!

Tedder Specs:

Kuhn 502
weight 505kg
HP required 15/20

Lely 520
weight 690kg
HP required 40

Malone Tedd-Air 570
weight 830kg
HP required 70
Good luck pulling a kuhn with that size of pony.
You will also need plenty of time skill patience and good fortune to achieve very much.
 
Strange you say that about Lely. I understood they were market leaders in ROI, hence Malone for one developing hooked tined tedders? Have I got it wrong??
TBH l have no idea who is market leader.
There is a wide selectionnin this area of Lely Kuhn Claas Krone Pottinger as well as the Eastern Europe ones like Sip Samasz and Rozmital.
My Stoll marches on even aftr 25 seasons so no intention of changing it.
 

Martin Holden

Member
Trade
Location
Cheltenham
TBH l have no idea who is market leader.
There is a wide selectionnin this area of Lely Kuhn Claas Krone Pottinger as well as the Eastern Europe ones like Sip Samasz and Rozmital.
My Stoll marches on even aftr 25 seasons so no intention of changing it.
Yes, lots of choice. I used to sell Stoll tedders and rakes. The early ones were bomb proof
 

GAM

Member
Mixed Farmer
And that is the reason I get rid of mine.
The hay Bob rowing after lely tossed hay invariably pulled green lumps of untouched grass. The hook tine is grand for silage, but a disaster for hay

Wow, you are the only member who has mentioned that the Lely hooked tines is a disaster on hay!!

Has anyone else have an opinion on the hooked tines?

So does this go for the new Malone as well?
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
Wow, you are the only member who has mentioned that the Lely hooked tines is a disaster on hay!!

Has anyone else have an opinion on the hooked tines?

So does this go for the new Malone as well?

I was specifically looking for a hooked tine machine last year, when I ended up with the Malone.
I only used it in short, young crops last year, all mowed at about 8” or so, as it got away from the rotation.
I made that into haylage and (later) hay. I didn’t have any problem with not tedding out or lumps of green, only with a tendency to row up a bit in light crops (all Tedders will do that).

The Galfre also has hook tines, but lighter (& significantly cheaper) built. I do have a Galfre single rotor rake, which I can’t really fault for the money.
 

Two Tone

Member
Mixed Farmer
And that is the reason I get rid of mine.
The hay Bob rowing after lely tossed hay invariably pulled green lumps of untouched grass. The hook tine is grand for silage, but a disaster for hay
Wow, you are the only member who has mentioned that the Lely hooked tines is a disaster on hay!!

Has anyone else have an opinion on the hooked tines?

So does this go for the new Malone as well?
I make about 7500 conventional bales of hay each year. The Lely Stabilo hooked tine has never caused any problems whatsoever and makes a far better job than any of the straight tined Stoll tedder that I had.

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I used to run both at the same time. The Lely runs at a so much faster forward speed and makes the hay so much faster and more evenly that I got rid of the Stoll. I can get twice as many acres done each day or ted it all twice each day.

I will never go back to anything other than a hooked tine again. They are very robust and will rarely ever break.
I will say that both types need to be set to pick up all the grass properly to ensure even drying. This is far easier to do with hooked tines than straight ones, without overstressing each tine and breaking them.

I think I am right that the Malone also uses the hooked tine.
 

ffukedfarmer

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
West Kent
Depends on acreage though doesnt it.
I do 20 acres of hay a year.
Hard to justify a 6 rotor for that.

It is, but the smaller rotors on a 6 / 8 /10 rotor tedder will do a much better job than the larger rotors on a 4 rotor.

I used to run a 4 rotor Krone and you would watch the lumps being thrown out.
 

GAM

Member
Mixed Farmer
It is, but the smaller rotors on a 6 / 8 /10 rotor tedder will do a much better job than the larger rotors on a 4 rotor.

I used to run a 4 rotor Krone and you would watch the lumps being thrown out.

Wow another scenario thrown up! is this right a 4 rotor tedder isn't as efficient in tedding hay because its drum diameters are too large?
 

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