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texelburger

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Mixed Farmer
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Herefordshire
The latest diesels are as clean as petrol and far more economical. What's more, synthetic diesel is now being produced from captured atmospheric carbon at around $1 per litre. What need is there to go backwards with batteries?
I have no idea myself but a chap,who should know,told me the very latest diesel engines are less polluting than the current petrol engines.Is this true ?
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
Next year I will probably buy the last car I ever drive with an engine.

You believe elastic band power will catch on?

Of course it will have an engine. Question is, what type of engine and what fuel will it run on. If an electric engine, what proportion of that fuel will be coal or gas? Or coal and gas and maybe a bit of oil too.
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
If your heart beats gti you'll never see 35 :p.
Tbf on a reasonably steady commute run you could get just under 30 mine averages mid to low 20's
Which is what a Golf GTi 1.8 did in the early 1980's. The greatest progress since then seems to be that VW has now fitted it with brakes that actually work.
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
I have no idea myself but a chap,who should know,told me the very latest diesel engines are less polluting than the current petrol engines.Is this true ?
In terms of CO2 pollution they are much cleaner. In terms of NOx and particulates they are about equal. So on balance Diesel engines are 'cleaner' than the newer high efficiency petrol engines. The gap has narrowed on average though, because CO2 [fuel consumption] has decreased on petrol engines just as NOx has decreased from diesels. Both are now commonly fitted with DPF/GPF [filters].

I had a look right up the pipe of my diesel Honda the other day and could not believe that after 40,000 miles it literally looked like new. Like no exhaust gas of any kind has ever been through it. The Volvo on the other hand, does have some visible sootiness about it at half the mileage. Whether that's a result of regeneration by the Volvo or a leak around the DPF, I don't know, but I noticed an unusual sootiness at the outlet [for a DPF equipped car] from very early on. Its not as if there were no DPF present, but not like other's I've had either, which have all been spotless.
 

General-Lee

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Devon
So what will the farmer run around be then as I’m not sure there are any 4x4 Petrol alternatives other than some of the posh Chelsea tractors which don’t lend themselves to mud, dogs and bale string let alone pulling a stock trailer.
Boss bought us a ex police v8 disco years ago, do the same again?!:cool::love::eek:
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
When you "regenerate" a DPF by running near the red line in a lowish gear at 70mph for 10 - 15 minutes where does the Sh1t go ??

You do not need to do that to regenerate. The sh!t turns to ash and resides in the filter housing until it builds up to a point where the filter is no longer serviceable. At which point you buy a new DPF unit. Large vehicles such as trucks and larger tractors will have serviceable DPF's which have elements that are service-exchanged for cleaned ones. Tractors and trucks will probably require service exchange or replacement units at between 5000 and 10,000 hours and cars and light trucks a replacement at between 100,000 and 125,000 miles. Your mileage may vary.
 
Gti or Gtd For a 45mile round trip five days a week?

Diesel cars are finished

I bet in future years (once Brexit is done with) they will force them off the road via higher taxation and restrictions

Some towns are charging more to enter in a diesel in their lower emissions zones and also higher parking charges for diesels over petrol cars

Writing on wall for diesels I am afraid

Agreed, the writing is on the wall, but at the moment it is at the opposite end of a very long wall where running costs are paramount.

We have had a regular 5 day a week 213 mile round trip for over 14 months so far which is costing us less than £18 per day in fuel and relative comfort.
 
You believe elastic band power will catch on?

Of course it will have an engine. Question is, what type of engine and what fuel will it run on. If an electric engine, what proportion of that fuel will be coal or gas? Or coal and gas and maybe a bit of oil too.

Terminology please - A powerplant burning fossil fuels can be called an engine but surely the electric version would be a motor :sneaky:

Sorry

https://jakubmarian.com/difference-between-engine-and-motor/
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
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Kildare

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Kildare, Ireland
You do not need to do that to regenerate. The sh!t turns to ash and resides in the filter housing until it builds up to a point where the filter is no longer serviceable. At which point you buy a new DPF unit. Large vehicles such as trucks and larger tractors will have serviceable DPF's which have elements that are service-exchanged for cleaned ones. Tractors and trucks will probably require service exchange or replacement units at between 5000 and 10,000 hours and cars and light trucks a replacement at between 100,000 and 125,000 miles. Your mileage may vary.
Friend has a volvo car .it's 09 S60 I think. It only had 80 K on it when the dpf filter blocked up. Garage tried some chemical to clean it but end up putting a new one on it.
Total bill was near 1k euro. Damm expensive running these clean cars.
 

Scribus

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Central Atlantic
Why people buy electric cars is irrelevant. Its consumer choice at the end of the day. I dont like macs but im not trying to claim its a plot to take over the world when they are sold.

Id have a model X right now if I had the cash.

As I have stated before, I have no issue with those who freely choose to buy an EV, if they want to head backwards in time with batteries then good luck to them.

What I do object to is the coercion and bribery of governments coupled to the lies and hype of the EV lobby interfering with that choice.
 
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