New Political Party led by farmers and other such local rural people

The present situation keeps reminding me of the civil war era which we studied at enormous length at school. Part of the population decided it was time for a radical shake-up, part stood up for the way things were, while most just wanted to go about their business in peace.
Once the great decision had been made to cut off the King's head, no-one knew exactly what to do as things didn't get much better and after 10 years of a republic, there was no-one with the authority or presence to run things and parliament were in a shambles- so in true British style, we all had another referendum and brought back the King to wild rejoicing.
On a positive note, they turned the situation into something better eventually, with checks on both sides, and the turmoil led to our eventual greatness, the invention of Australia and New Zealand, King Charles Spaniels, etc, etc :)

And through all of that, the Monarchy realised that it needed to change too. Our EU leaders haven't worked that out yet.
 

renewablejohn

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Location
lancs
I am a great believer of the Jury service system of 12 randoms deciding life and death. We now have the technology to apply that random process nationwide by use of the postcode lottery. So anyone who fancies being a politician buys a postcode lottery ticket on the dedicated MP lottery day than one postcode is drawn per MP constituancy. If more than one then winner drawn by lot. Really does not matter who is MP as country is actually run by civil servants and they dont change with elections.
 
anyone who wants to be a politician should automatically be banned from doing so !

I would argue that the country would be better run by successful business men and women but that doesn't seem to be going so well in the USA right now !

I like your idea that any MP should have to have had at least 10 years of management level experience in an industry before being allowed to stand for election however

More controversially I guess I don't think politics pays enough to attract the best, and surely we want the very best running our country doesn't we ?

I would agree in most of what you say. . . . . but i'm not sure tying the idea of 'the best' and money works very well in politics.

Last thing you want really is people doing it for the money. Sadly politics is what it is, its always going to be some kind of calling or vocation for it to work, but there in lies its own problem. . . . .
 

ajd132

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Arable Farmer
Location
Suffolk
anyone who wants to be a politician should automatically be banned from doing so !

I would argue that the country would be better run by successful business men and women but that doesn't seem to be going so well in the USA right now !

I like your idea that any MP should have to have had at least 10 years of management level experience in an industry before being allowed to stand for election however

More controversially I guess I don't think politics pays enough to attract the best, and surely we want the very best running our country doesn't we ?
Agree, the best are headhunted at university and fast tracked into high paying city jobs.
 
So four months on from my original post ( please read if you missed it first time) are we just going to hope that the political muddle we are in as a country will just go away.

Surely a party run by proven leaders be they farmers, businessmen, union leaders, head teachers or whoever, can do a whole lot better than who we have at present.

Surely there must be a few on The Farming Forum who feel it was their duty or responsibility to do something?

One poster said a new party or organisation should just "ban" those who have been involved in politics before and who are tainted by the nonsense that has been going on in parliament these last few weeks.

Do we really need new parties run by politicians or can something new be launched?

Sure we will loose a few good people who have shown honour in the midst of apparent lies and deceipt but a new start may bring a new opportunity for the country to come together

Is labour/ conservative etc relevant anymore?

Is this really a time just to "hope for the best" and continue believing things can only get better?

I can't imagine the news organisations giving us any promotion but with social media anything can happen

My suggestion for the way forward is to set up "The Leaders Party"

I look forward to hearing from you if you feel similarly
 

Brisel

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Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
There are plenty who would agree with that. I think the general feeling amongst the British electorate is that we have all been let down by the current member of the Commons.

Politics is different from business - Donald J Trump is an example of someone who is used to running a business now running a country on the same methods. It's different, and a breath of fresh air for those who voted him in. Whether he is a success at it is a whole debate by itself. The US economy is expanding but the poor are getting poorer yet the rich are getting richer. Is that a success? That depends on which side of the line you stand.

Politics is a different game. Diplomacy, horse trading - YouTube search Yes Minister and it is surprisingly accurate. A "real" party of Leaders will still need advice from seasoned civil servants who understand how the system works. Create a hybrid with the best of Whitehall and "normal people" and you have hope for a better future. I'll bet most newly elected MPs enter the House with honest intentions of reforming the system from within but eventually realise they can't change much at all and learn to play the Westminster games to survive the next General Election.

It is too easy to criticise the current incumbents from the comfort of your keyboards - how would you be different and make the changes needed to bring credibility back to current politics? You have to say the right things to get enough support to be voted in, then actually do the right things with austerity budgets whilst considering that one size does not fit all. Many policies start as honourable yet get bogged down by unintended consequences.
 

beefandsleep

Member
Location
Staffordshire
If we had proportional representation then it would be a good idea. As we do not it would be a waste of time and resources better spent lobbying politicians of all parties with influence over Agricultural Matters.
 

Brisel

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
PR results in hung parliaments and coalitions that struggle to achieve much. Even a handful of DUP MPs can mess up the Tories!

What we need is a benevolent dictator...
 

kiwi pom

Member
Location
canterbury NZ
There are plenty who would agree with that. I think the general feeling amongst the British electorate is that we have all been let down by the current member of the Commons.

Politics is different from business - Donald J Trump is an example of someone who is used to running a business now running a country on the same methods. It's different, and a breath of fresh air for those who voted him in. Whether he is a success at it is a whole debate by itself. The US economy is expanding but the poor are getting poorer yet the rich are getting richer. Is that a success? That depends on which side of the line you stand.

Politics is a different game. Diplomacy, horse trading - YouTube search Yes Minister and it is surprisingly accurate. A "real" party of Leaders will still need advice from seasoned civil servants who understand how the system works. Create a hybrid with the best of Whitehall and "normal people" and you have hope for a better future. I'll bet most newly elected MPs enter the House with honest intentions of reforming the system from within but eventually realise they can't change much at all and learn to play the Westminster games to survive the next General Election.

It is too easy to criticise the current incumbents from the comfort of your keyboards - how would you be different and make the changes needed to bring credibility back to current politics? You have to say the right things to get enough support to be voted in, then actually do the right things with austerity budgets whilst considering that one size does not fit all. Many policies start as honourable yet get bogged down by unintended consequences.


Excellent post that(y)

How do you run a country when EVERYONE, that has a vote, has a different opinion on what should be done?

Yes Minister was brilliant(y)
 

Campbell

Member
Location
Herefordshire
Thatcher and Bliar both had a good run and got plenty of stuff done 'under their terms'. BUT, they both also had the luxury of a huge parliamentary majority. Small majorities are just a miserable struggle for all involved..... and boy does it show right now.:(
 

Hilly

Member
Thatcher and Bliar both had a good run and got plenty of stuff done 'under their terms'. BUT, they both also had the luxury of a huge parliamentary majority. Small majorities are just a miserable struggle for all involved..... and boy does it show right now.:(
The stupid woman didnt even make an attempt to fight for the general election, no wonder she nearly lost.
 

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