I remember the time when...

glasshouse

Member
Location
lothians
They would still have to be lifted on to the stand , which was rarely the height of the lorry. once on the lorry sometimes they would carry a few extra on top which again was a straight lift.
A steel churn would weigh 30lbs. so with 10 gallons was 130 and if we were short of churns and we had filled to the 11 gallon mark 140lbs.
imagine turning up at a farm with 40 odd of those to lug about every day:eek:
We would always give the driver a hand if anyone was about but that was not the case always.
These guys did it every day and as I posted somewhere else, when we went bulk our churn driver stayed on the churns, as he fancied a lady dairy farmer down the road with about 5 cows;)
Were her churns particularly large?
 

Exfarmer

Member
Location
Bury St Edmunds
The best I can find is about 2/6d (30p )a gallon in the late forties.
This would vary slightly by butterfat, seasonal loading and whereabouts in the country.
So about £197/50/00
sorry I had misread the date on the post
I have just seen quoted in Hansard the following
In December 1950 milk returned 4shillings (20p) per gallon to the farmer ( 4.41p /Litre)
in Dec 1960 the price had fallen to 3 shillings (15p) per gallon 3.3p/litre

This would have been a weighted price and the price would drop sharply in the Spring
The MMB were currently selling milk into processing at the time for 1s/3p to 1s/5p (6-7p) per gallon ( 1.5p/litre)
The retail price was 8p ( 3p ) per pint ( delivered to the doorstep)
 

jendan

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Northumberland
The MF 19 was the muck spreader that expanded my vocabulary. We had 2 of the hateful things!
I will have shovelled 1000s of tons of cow muck into them in my youth by hand from the Byre.I thought they were quite a good spreader in their time,with the PTO drive.Better than the old Massey Harris or International land wheel drive types with ratchet floor chains.
 

jendan

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Northumberland
I don't suppose The H.S.E. would allow anyone to lug 10 gallon milk churns these days. Look how cement bags have 'shrunk' over the years!
There was an art to it.You had to tilt them over slightly, then spin them around on the bottom.To lift them,it was two people,one on either side handle.
 

jendan

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Northumberland
They weren't so much lugged as spun into place by the lids, iirc. I've had a go with water filled churns taken from the spring to a temporary trough places using the link box, and was surprised by how easy they were to manoeuvre.
Did you manage to "keep" as many of the old ex MMB aluminium cans as you could;).They made really good temporary cricket stumps,with a great "ping" to them when you bowled someone out:)
 
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Kidds

Member
Horticulture
Still a part of History.
Maybe we should start a thread of different milk stands around the country.
Maybe historic monuments will list them too ???
I've just moved farms. At my old place all that's left is four small square holes in the concrete where the stand posts have rotted away.
At my new place (which I have known for 50 years without cattle) the only sign of where it once stood is a length of coping stones missing off the drystone wall. I remember the stand though, and many others that are long gone.
Folks must puzzle why there are squares of concrete at the end of so many farm drives.
 

Dry Rot

Member
Livestock Farmer
cwt bags?? think you will find 12st minimum, mainly Firmin bags. Peas were 16st.

Combining then was so slow, thought better to dump bags in heaps of maybe 3-5, than stop to unload. Hard graft didn't matter then, keep the wheels turning.

I thought railway bags were 2cwt, if not a bit more?

One man would carry these up a flight of slate steps to the granary (but only one at a time!).
 

primmiemoo

Member
Location
Devon
They would still have to be lifted on to the stand , which was rarely the height of the lorry. once on the lorry sometimes they would carry a few extra on top which again was a straight lift.
A steel churn would weigh 30lbs. so with 10 gallons was 130 and if we were short of churns and we had filled to the 11 gallon mark 140lbs.
imagine turning up at a farm with 40 odd of those to lug about every day:eek:
We would always give the driver a hand if anyone was about but that was not the case always.
These guys did it every day and as I posted somewhere else, when we went bulk our churn driver stayed on the churns, as he fancied a lady dairy farmer down the road with about 5 cows;)

My memory of milk collections is from the perspective of a nine year old when Dad had to stop milking. Our stand was the right height for the lorry, afaicr, but it does have a fair two steps up. I have a feeling that it was around that time that the creamery wanted milk stands at the top of every lane, regardless of how well maintained the lanes were.

I marvel at how people carried 2cwt sacks of corn up the steps to the seed tallet. Slate steps, Devon rainfall and damp, ... and hobnail boots :eek:

Full churns certainly are heavy at a straight lift. One has to engage one's core, sure enough :dead:
 

primmiemoo

Member
Location
Devon
Did you manage to "keep" as many of the old ex MMB aluminium cans as you could;).They made really good temporary cricket stumps,with a great "ping" to them when you bowled someone out:)

They weren't kept deliberately, but after Dad died and we felt able to open the dairy door again and have a look around, there they were. Enough for winter output of 20 cows.

Obviously, the two legged rats that came out from the village and from a particular farm the other side of it hadn't opened the door before then, or they'd be gone. Just like much of Dad's workshop tools.

I remember the time when theft stemmed from locals.
 

bovrill

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
East Essexshire
Barley was 2 and a quarter the farmers wife down the road could carry them up the steps to the loft
Wheat was two and a quarter here, barley two, and beans two and a half. Oats were whatever you could get in there!
I'm told that my grandfather's party trick was to lay face down, have a full sack laid across his shoulders, and stand straight up with it.
 

Derrick Hughes

Member
Location
Ceredigion
My memory of milk collections is from the perspective of a nine year old when Dad had to stop milking. Our stand was the right height for the lorry, afaicr, but it does have a fair two steps up. I have a feeling that it was around that time that the creamery wanted milk stands at the top of every lane, regardless of how well maintained the lanes were.

I marvel at how people carried 2cwt sacks of corn up the steps to the seed tallet. Slate steps, Devon rainfall and damp, ... and hobnail boots :eek:

Full churns certainly are heavy at a straight lift. One has to engage one's core, sure enough :dead:
I lifted churns at 14 we had muscles like Johnney England then , thought nothing of it
 

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